[squeak-dev] [ANN] Dependency Browser

> Dear Squeakers,
>     If you ever wondered how to observe dependencies between packages in the
> image, now you can use this new Dependency Browser. Instructions for using
> it are in the following pages:
>
> Castellano : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-es.php
> Fran??ais : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-fr.php
> English : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-en.php
>
> Regards.
>
> Hern??n

> On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 03:17:40PM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand wrote:
>  > Dear Squeakers,
>  >     If you ever wondered how to observe dependencies between packages in the
>  > image, now you can use this new Dependency Browser. Instructions for using
>  > it are in the following pages:
>  >
>  > Castellano : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-es.php
>
> > Fran??ais : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-fr.php
>
> > English : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-en.php
>  >
>  > Regards.
>  >
>
> > Hern??n
>
>  I have not installed this to try it yet, but the DependencyWalker looks
>  like a really interesting idea!
>
>  Dave
>
>
>

>
> 2008/10/9 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>
> Cool, user interface.
>
> However, you do not detect two other important static dependencies:
>
> - Package A subclasses a class of package B.
> - Package A extends a class of package B.
>
> Yes, I was aware of loose methods (I'm interpreting extends here  
> means LM) and hierarchy references, and my idea was to add an  
> OBColumn next to the code pane like
>
> http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/attachments/20080923/e19a0b11/attachment-0001.jpeg
>
> but it seems OmniBrowser do not allow this easily (creating a new  
> column in a subclass of the traditional Standard Browser is even  
> harder). You'll notice if I'm succeded in the next version :)
>
>
> We are using a similar tool to package Seaside. Unfortunately it has
> no GUI, but we are using GraphViz zu visualize the dependencies [1].
>
> That is the original idea. I have never tried GraphViz, but from the  
> image in the link I can see GraphViz is able to ensure disjointness  
> between nodes but the image looks confusing, tangled, from an user's  
> perception view. It seems like the layout adjustement algorithm were  
> unable to preserve symmetries from an input (or breaks down the  
> topology for the sake of preserving a proximity model).
>
> Is there a link explaining how to use GraphVIz from Squeak? I  
> presume if graphs could be showed inside the Squeak image, the whole  
> and details view problem could be solved, achieving simultaneity and  
> uniqueness (that means, facilities like the fish-eye view enabling  
> different magnification ratios).
>
>
> Have a look at Package-Dependencies in
> <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted>. It automatically calculates
> cycles and is able to hide transitive dependencies. It would be
> interesting to extend it further to also take selectors into account,
> that are only implemented in a single package.
>
> I will take a look at it.
> Cheers.
>
> Hernán
>
>
>
> There are other tools available: MudPie [2] and Moose [3].
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> [1] http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/dropbox/seaside-2.9/seaside.png
> [2] http://map.squeak.org/package/617dbc24-e029-4d8c-a941-68db8c867952
> [3] http://moose.unibe.ch/
>
> On 10/9/08, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 03:17:40PM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand  
> wrote:
> >  > Dear Squeakers,
> >  >     If you ever wondered how to observe dependencies between  
> packages in the
> >  > image, now you can use this new Dependency Browser.  
> Instructions for using
> >  > it are in the following pages:
> >  >
> >  > Castellano : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-es.php
> >
> > > Fran??ais : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-fr.php
> >
> > > English : http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-en.php
> >  >
> >  > Regards.
> >  >
> >
> > > Hern??n
> >
> >  I have not installed this to try it yet, but the DependencyWalker  
> looks
> >  like a really interesting idea!
> >
> >  Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
>
>