[squeak-dev] [ANN] Hydra now can do mitosis

> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:29 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
>> 2009/2/22 Klaus D. Witzel :
>>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:18:20 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>>
> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I have this web framework thingy
>
> ...
>>>>
>>>> There is also the question of how coordination happens
>>>> between multiple images especially on this shared data.
>>>
>>> Right. Looks like a topic for the next Camp Smalltalk, with hands-on.
>>
>> We should extend Camp Smalltalk to a week or so. So much to do, so little
>> time.
>
> Is there something that can be prepared/worked out/dugg into 'till then.
> Naive: a block diagram, picturing classes, that separates request processing
> from the app's work and from response [put yours here].

> 2009/2/23 Klaus D. Witzel :
>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:29 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/2/22 Klaus D. Witzel :
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:18:20 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>>>
>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I have this web framework thingy
>>
>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also the question of how coordination happens
>>>>> between multiple images especially on this shared data.
>>>>
>>>> Right. Looks like a topic for the next Camp Smalltalk, with hands-on.
>>>
>>> We should extend Camp Smalltalk to a week or so. So much to do, so  
>>> little
>>> time.
>>
>> Is there something that can be prepared/worked out/dugg into 'till then.
>> Naive: a block diagram, picturing classes, that separates request  
>> processing
>> from the app's work and from response [put yours here].
>
> Sure, it'd probably be best if you could attend a Squeak Stammtisch or
> Seaside Sprint (all these S) so we could discuss it a bit further.

> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:26:20 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
>> 2009/2/23 Klaus D. Witzel :
>>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:29 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/2/22 Klaus D. Witzel :
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:18:20 +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I have this web framework thingy
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also the question of how coordination happens
>>>>>> between multiple images especially on this shared data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. Looks like a topic for the next Camp Smalltalk, with hands-on.
>>>>
>>>> We should extend Camp Smalltalk to a week or so. So much to do, so
>>>> little
>>>> time.
>>>
>>> Is there something that can be prepared/worked out/dugg into 'till then.
>>> Naive: a block diagram, picturing classes, that separates request
>>> processing
>>> from the app's work and from response [put yours here].
>>
>> Sure, it'd probably be best if you could attend a Squeak Stammtisch or
>> Seaside Sprint (all these S) so we could discuss it a bit further.
>
> I whish there be something like Cobalt[0] ready for primetime, so that every
> Friday night there be Smalltalk Friday night, nation-wide as with other
> local holidays and around the globe. Of course there also be (all these S)
> events but entrance only allowed for Smalltalkers bringing their family
> members/friends for pro-actively managing the future ;)
>
> Do you happen to know of an (all these S) event planned at/around May?

Did the same. I loaded Hydra upon a "dev" image to which I included

> Klaus D. Witzel escreveu:
>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:53:24 +0100, Rob Rothwell wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps naively, I simply downloaded the binaries and used them to
>>> open a
>>> 3.10 dev image, which seemed to work fine, FreeType and all...
>>
>> :)
>>
>>> So...from the helpful doits, it seems that you prepare a second image
>>> that carries out the native processes for you?
>>
>> Yes, "classic" Hydra loads the second .image from file and mitosis
>> Hydra populates (the second) an empty .image from am arrayOfObjects
>> passed in.
> Did the same. I loaded Hydra upon a "dev" image to which I included
> VMMaker (otherwise the VMMaker supplied with Hydra fails to load). Then
> I created a 'hydra.image' via:
>    HydraVM saveAsHeadlessImage: 'hydra.image'.
> Next I tried (via workspace):
>
> HydraVM loadAndRunNewImage: 'hydra.image'.
>
> and it caused the following error: 'HydraVM
> class(Object)>>primitiveFailed ...

> Okay, here's updated VM
>
> ftp://ftp.squeak.org/HydraVM/latest_builds/win32/HydraVM-bin-27.02.2009.zip
>
>
> bug with channels are now fixed (in fact it is bug with code generator  
> :))
>
> Everything should work ok now i.e. channels + heap cloning.
>
>
> Also, i uploaded the updated VMMaker:
>
> http://www.squeaksource.com/HydraVM/VMMaker-sig.85

> Igor Stasenko escreveu:
>
> (...)
>
> are you sure you running HydraVM? (HydraVM isHydra  "print-it")
> You can do save-as-headless-image using any VM, but to run second
> image you need Hydra VM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I was unable to build HydraVM under linux.

> After:
>
> $ cd conf
> $ ./configure --prefix=/usr
> ...
> $ make
>
> It was not able to find interp_prototypes.h ...
>
> gcc -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLSB_FIRST=1  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
> -DSQUEAK_BUILTIN_PLUGIN
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/config
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/plugins/FilePlugin
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/plugins/B3DAcceleratorPlugin
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/config
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm
> -I/home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm   -c -o gnu-interp.o
> gnu-interp.c
> In file included from
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/vm/sqGnu.h:36,
>                  from gnu-interp.c:8:
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:166:31: error:
> interp_prototypes.h: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
> In file included from
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/unix/vm/sqGnu.h:36,
>                  from gnu-interp.c:8:
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:175: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:176: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:177: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:180: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:181: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:185: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:199: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:200: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:201: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:202: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:206: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:333: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:336: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInputEvent’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:341: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘char’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:342: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:343: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:344: error: expected
> ‘)’ before ‘sqInt’
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:345: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:360: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:361: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:362: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:363: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:425: warning:
> parameter names (without types) in function declaration
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:431: warning:
> ‘struct vmEventQueue’ declared inside parameter list
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:431: warning: its
> scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you
> want
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:432: warning:
> ‘struct vmEventQueue’ declared inside parameter list
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:432: warning:
> ‘struct vmEvent’ declared inside parameter list
> /home/casimiro/Softwares/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm/sq.h:433: warning:
> ‘struct vmEventQueue’ declared inside parameter list
> gnu-interp.c: In function ‘snapshot’:
> gnu-interp.c:21340: error: ‘imageName’ undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> gnu-interp.c:21340: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> gnu-interp.c:21340: error: for each function it appears in.)
> gnu-interp.c: In function ‘writeImageFileIO’:
> gnu-interp.c:22626: error: ‘imageName’ undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> gnu-interp.c: In function ‘writeImageFile’:
> gnu-interp.c:22664: error: ‘imageName’ undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> make[1]: ** [gnu-interp.o] Erro 1
> make: ** [vm/vm.a] Erro 2
>
>
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> On 27-Feb-09, at 9:25 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
>> Hydra wasn't ported on linux yet.
>> Initially i created a Win32 VM. Then Matthew Fulmer started linux
>> port, but it wasn't finished.
>> There is also a Mac port, made by John M McIntosh , and he reported
>> that he were able to run it.
>> But its not complete - a lot of plugins need additional porting.
>
>
> Last spring I ported Hyrda to the macintosh carbon VM, it ran, but there
> were problems with
> Sockets, plus it was a moving target, then Igor took some time off, so I
> shelved further effort.
>
> At thistime I don't see really building a new one (unless some has funding).
> Did I mention it's a moving target?
>

> However out of it I did separate out all the platform support API from what
> VMMaker generates
> and requires.  That effort then was folded into the iPhone VM and
> documentation on the isqueak.org site.
>
>
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