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garduino

[squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

Hi:

I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
.cs.

Cheers.

gsa.

David T. Lewis

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:20:01PM -0200, Germ?n Arduino wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
> interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> .cs.

Bravo! Perhaps you could upload the .cs to a page on the Swiki so
this work will not be lost or overlooked. Thanks a lot.

Dave

Avi Bryant-2

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

In reply to this post by garduino

On 3/11/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
> interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> .cs.

So I'm curious - what else of the more recent dev tools will run on
3.4. OmniBrowser? Shout? Seaside? Anyone tried any of these?

Avi

Colin Putney

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

On 13-Mar-08, at 6:40 AM, Avi Bryant wrote:

> On 3/11/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
>> images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
>> Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone
>> is
>> interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
>> .cs.
>
> So I'm curious - what else of the more recent dev tools will run on
> 3.4. OmniBrowser? Shout? Seaside? Anyone tried any of these?

A couple of years ago, OB ran on 3.5 and later. IIRC, there were some
bugfixes that had to be loaded into 3.6 and earlier and I had a pre-
load package that contained them. We've probably drifted since then,
but I doubt it would take a lot of effort to get back to that level of
compatibility, or to run on 3.4...

Colin

keith1y

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

In reply to this post by Avi Bryant-2

Avi Bryant wrote:

> On 3/11/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
>> images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
>> Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
>> interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
>> .cs.
>>
>
> So I'm curious - what else of the more recent dev tools will run on
> 3.4. OmniBrowser? Shout? Seaside? Anyone tried any of these?
>
> Avi

Installer, and Sake/Packages should work with minimal effort.

Sake/Packages is the equivalent of universes, but it uses a standard
browser as a UI, and manages the package definitions as methods on a
class persisted in a monticello package.

There is no reason why 3.4 cannot be included in LevelPlayingField if
someone wants to add it.

Keith

garduino

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

In reply to this post by David T. Lewis

The details and the download are availables at:

http://germanarduino.blogspot.com/2008/03/monticello-backport-to-squeak-34.html

HTH.
gsa.

2008/3/12, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:20:01PM -0200, Germ?n Arduino wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> > images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> > Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
> > interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> > .cs.
>
>
> Bravo! Perhaps you could upload the .cs to a page on the Swiki so
> this work will not be lost or overlooked. Thanks a lot.
>
> Dave
>
>
>

stephane ducasse

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

In reply to this post by keith1y

Hi keith

> Sake/Packages is the equivalent of universes, but it uses a standard
> browser as a UI, and manages the package definitions as methods on a
> class persisted in a monticello package.

could you show me an example?
Or point me to an example
Stef

keith1y

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

stephane ducasse wrote:

> Hi keith
>
>> Sake/Packages is the equivalent of universes, but it uses a standard
>> browser as a UI, and manages the package definitions as methods on a
>> class persisted in a monticello package.
>
> could you show me an example?
> Or point me to an example
> Stef
>
>

Sake is available at http://www.squeaksourcecom/Sake
Have a browse of http://www.squeaksource.com/Packages

There is a different package for each version of squeak, i.e.
Packages-Squeak3.10

The package definitions have just been updated, there is a task for
reading the universe servers definitions into a class.
At present this is a one way relationship, but this is useful since you
can subclass PackagesSqueak310U to override the master universes
definition to add your own.

Keith

Has van der Krieken

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

In reply to this post by garduino

Hi Germán,

I was wondering, is there particular a reason why you or (BluePlane)
are still using Squeak 3.4?

Regards, Has.

On 3/12/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
> interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> .cs.
>
> Cheers.
>
> gsa.
>
>

garduino

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

Hi Has:

May be the persons indicated to respond are Tansel or John. But I can
say that a lot of work is done on such image, with the systems of
BluePlane, but precisely the porting of Monticello is to permit
migrate more easily to newest Squeak versions.

Cheers.

2008/3/16, Has van der Krieken <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Germán,
>
> I was wondering, is there particular a reason why you or (BluePlane)
> are still using Squeak 3.4?
>
> Regards, Has.
>
>
> On 3/12/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> > images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> > Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
> > interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> > .cs.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > gsa.
> >
> >
>
>

John Magnifico-3

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

Hi Has,

3.4 is a legacy based on a older customer we have using our software.

We are in the process of migrating, but the question is what the base will be. We are very interested in Croquet as a base and also the recent work with the HydraVM. I suspect we will port to 3.8 first.

We are also working on tools that will allow our software to move to any vm version. Tansel can shed further light on this later on.

Cheers
John

On 17/03/2008, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Has:

May be the persons indicated to respond are Tansel or John. But I can
say that a lot of work is done on such image, with the systems of
BluePlane, but precisely the porting of Monticello is to permit
migrate more easily to newest Squeak versions.

Cheers.

2008/3/16, Has van der Krieken <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Germán,
>
>  I was wondering, is there particular a reason why you or (BluePlane)
>  are still using Squeak 3.4?
>
>  Regards, Has.
>
>
>  On 3/12/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  > Hi:
>  >
>  >  I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
>  >  images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
>  >  Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone is
>  >  interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
>  >  .cs.
>  >
>  >  Cheers.
>  >
>  >  gsa.
>  >
>  >
>
>

Has van der Krieken

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

Hello John,

Thanks for answering that. I was suspecting that client support was a
main reason for backporting. I'm into Squeak and Smalltalk since
version 3.7. That's not so long.
I can't judge over the progression and improvements that Squeak has
made the last couple of years. When version 3.9 was released I had get
to used to the look-and-feel of it. I was wondering if the die hard
Squeakers have, for any reason, a favourite version.

Regards, Has.

On 3/27/08, John Magnifico <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Has,
>
> 3.4 is a legacy based on a older customer we have using our software.
>
> We are in the process of migrating, but the question is what the base will
> be. We are very interested in Croquet as a base and also the recent work
> with the HydraVM. I suspect we will port to 3.8 first.
>
> We are also working on tools that will allow our software to move to any vm
> version. Tansel can shed further light on this later on.
>
> Cheers
> John
>
>
> On 17/03/2008, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi Has:
> >
> > May be the persons indicated to respond are Tansel or John. But I can
> > say that a lot of work is done on such image, with the systems of
> > BluePlane, but precisely the porting of Monticello is to permit
> > migrate more easily to newest Squeak versions.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> > 2008/3/16, Has van der Krieken <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi Germán,
> > >
> > > I was wondering, is there particular a reason why you or (BluePlane)
> > > are still using Squeak 3.4?
> > >
> > > Regards, Has.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/12/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> > > > images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> > > > Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone
> is
> > > > interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> > > > .cs.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > gsa.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

garduino

Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Monticello backport to Squeak 3.4

I don't believe to be a "die hard" squeaker but one that give big
importance to the stability.

In such sense all my production projects are currently on 3.8 (and 1
or 2 on 3.7).

I don't think will invest time to migrate to 3.9, may be 3.10 or the
next one, depending of the customer needs and the improvements I need.

To my own playing I'm using mostly 3.10.

HTH.

Germán.

2008/3/28, Has van der Krieken <[hidden email]>:

> Hello John,
>
> Thanks for answering that. I was suspecting that client support was a
> main reason for backporting. I'm into Squeak and Smalltalk since
> version 3.7. That's not so long.
> I can't judge over the progression and improvements that Squeak has
> made the last couple of years. When version 3.9 was released I had get
> to used to the look-and-feel of it. I was wondering if the die hard
> Squeakers have, for any reason, a favourite version.
>
> Regards, Has.
>
>
> On 3/27/08, John Magnifico <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi Has,
> >
> > 3.4 is a legacy based on a older customer we have using our software.
> >
> > We are in the process of migrating, but the question is what the base will
> > be. We are very interested in Croquet as a base and also the recent work
> > with the HydraVM. I suspect we will port to 3.8 first.
> >
> > We are also working on tools that will allow our software to move to any vm
> > version. Tansel can shed further light on this later on.
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 17/03/2008, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Hi Has:
> > >
> > > May be the persons indicated to respond are Tansel or John. But I can
> > > say that a lot of work is done on such image, with the systems of
> > > BluePlane, but precisely the porting of Monticello is to permit
> > > migrate more easily to newest Squeak versions.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/3/16, Has van der Krieken <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Germán,
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering, is there particular a reason why you or (BluePlane)
> > > > are still using Squeak 3.4?
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Has.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/12/08, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > Hi:
> > > > >
> > > > > I ported a suitable version of Monticello to work on Squeak 3.4
> > > > > images. This work was done to BluePlane, the Tansel Ersavas and John
> > > > > Magnifico company and on their name I'm announcing this. If someone
> > is
> > > > > interested just drop a mail and I will send (or put to download) the
> > > > > .cs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > gsa.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>