[squeak-dev] [ANN][Squeak-dev Images] Revival

Hi Ramon,

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ramon Leon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> However, I do not understand why so much people continue to download
>> 3.9 based images.
>
> Likely because they have apps deployed in 3.9 so they want to develop in
> 3.9.  Just because something new comes out, 3.10, doesn't mean it's going to
> get used, there has to be a compelling reason to upgrade that overrides the
> aversion to doing the work.


In fact, this sentence was related to the result of the poll in which
few people voted for 3.9. If people are stillinterested in dev-images
based on 3.9, they should say so in the poll (I know you did).


> Even if 3.10 is just a bunch of bug fixes and an upgrade might entail
> nothing more than changing images for production sites, that's still a risk
> of breaking something that isn't currently broken.  There's also a bit of
> stability that comes from running one version behind whatever the latest is.
> Letting someone else shake out the kinks in the new stuff is more pragmatic
> than making my customers do it.  Not everyone thinks newer is automatically
> better.


I perfectly understand this concern and that is why I'm still building
images from 3.9.

> You also have 3.9 listed as stable and 3.10 as experimental... Of course

I will change that as soon as I decide what to generate next. I would
like more people give his opinion and vote.


> people are going to download 3.9.  I also see nothing other than that listed
> to try and move me to 3.10, so I'd say you need to tell me why I should be
> using 3.10, and how it differs from 3.9 and how that will help me in some
> way.


Thank you for your comment



--
Damien Cassou
Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good
luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Sorry for late response...
I could introduce a preference for the nasty (IMHO) red outline for
modifications... particularly ugly/distracting for things like workspaces
though. You are quite welcome to leave feedback on the Swiki (when it
becomes available again!).

As for contrast I agree that the default StrikeFonts suffer somewhat with
some themes, FreeType is more than legible. Of Course you can always choose
the "StandardSqueak" theme for a 3.9 look while retaining the feel/usability
improvements.

Regards, Gary.

> Sorry for late response...
> I could introduce a preference for the nasty (IMHO) red outline for
> modifications... particularly ugly/distracting for things
> like workspaces
> though. You are quite welcome to leave feedback on the Swiki (when it
> becomes available again!).
>
> Regards, Gary.

It's not the color that's important, it's the visual indicator that a change
has occurred and it'll need saved.  I use UIEnhancements and I really really
miss the red border.  There needs to be a change indicator, every decent
text editor in the world has such an indicator, be it an asterisks next to
the file name on the tab or a big ugly red border, it's a vital feature.

Ramon Leon
http://onsmalltalk.com

Ah, well. Our browsers show "Modified" in the title bar when code has
changed.
Version 327 of Pinesoft-Widgets on SqueakSource now has a preference
(showTextEditingState) that provides a choice as to whether to use the old
behaviour of coloured borders.