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[squeak-dev] About Eliot FFi changes

stephane ducasse
Hi all

I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM  
maintainers.
Since then nothing really happen.
So will the changes of eliot integrated or not in the VMs?

Stef

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Re: [squeak-dev] About Eliot FFi changes

Bert Freudenberg

Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:

> Hi all
>
> I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
> his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM  
> maintainers.


I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F

Whom did he sent it to exactly?

- Bert -



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Re: [squeak-dev] About Eliot FFi changes

David T. Lewis
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:38:14PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

>
> Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:
>
> >Hi all
> >
> >I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
> >his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM  
> >maintainers.
>
>
> I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F
>
> Whom did he sent it to exactly?

On a related topic, I have gotten FFI working on machines with 64 bit
pointer size. This is an issue for 64 bit Linux, and would affect OS X
if the VM was compiled for 64 bits. I don't know when or if it would be
an issue for Windows.

The changes are quite extensive (platform code, plugin, and interpreter
must all be all touched)  so some coordination will be required here.
I'm not sure how this should be handled, but it's certainly a good topic
for the vm-dev list.

My earlier mention of this is here:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2008-April/001900.html

Dave


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Re: [squeak-dev] About Eliot FFi changes

stephane ducasse
In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg
Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
        dan, john, andreas, tim,
but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)

Stef

On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

>
> Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while  
>> ago
>> his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM  
>> maintainers.
>
>
> I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F
>
> Whom did he sent it to exactly?
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>
>


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[squeak-dev] Re: About Eliot FFi changes

Andreas.Raab
stephane ducasse wrote:
> Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
>     dan, john, andreas, tim,
> but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)

I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll ask Eliot when he's back.

Cheers,
   - Andreas


> On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
>>> his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM
>>> maintainers.
>>
>>
>> I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F 
>>
>>
>> Whom did he sent it to exactly?
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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[squeak-dev] Re: About Eliot FFi changes

Andreas.Raab
Just FYI (and in case someone wonders), I spoke to Eliot today and it
seems indeed to have been a very noisy restaurant ;-) Eliot was
referring to his "Alien" work which is an FFI replacement (which we have
spoken about on some occasions) but as far as I am aware the code has
not been published anywhere.

It certainly was never sent to the VM maintainers.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Andreas Raab wrote:

> stephane ducasse wrote:
>> Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
>>     dan, john, andreas, tim,
>> but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)
>
> I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll ask Eliot when he's back.
>
> Cheers,
>   - Andreas
>
>
>> On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
>>>> his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM
>>>> maintainers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F 
>>>
>>>
>>> Whom did he sent it to exactly?
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [squeak-dev] Re: About Eliot FFi changes

Mariano Martinez Peck
Sorry, but these are "changes" or "refactors" ?. I mean, do these changes affect FFI uses, public interface or something? Suppose I am using FFI in a project, should I care about this ?

many thanks,

mariano

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just FYI (and in case someone wonders), I spoke to Eliot today and it seems indeed to have been a very noisy restaurant ;-) Eliot was referring to his "Alien" work which is an FFI replacement (which we have spoken about on some occasions) but as far as I am aware the code has not been published anywhere.

It certainly was never sent to the VM maintainers.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


Andreas Raab wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote:
Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
   dan, john, andreas, tim,
but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)

I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll ask Eliot when he's back.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:


Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:

Hi all

I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM maintainers.


I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F

Whom did he sent it to exactly?

- Bert -















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Re: [squeak-dev] Re: About Eliot FFi changes

Eliot Miranda-2


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry, but these are "changes" or "refactors" ?.

It is an alternative FFI.
 
I mean, do these changes affect FFI uses, public interface or something? Suppose I am using FFI in a project, should I care about this ?

No.  It is being used in the Newspeak system and I will probably use elements of it in my work at Qwaq and eventually it may be used to augment or reimplement parts of the existing FFI.  But that's in the future and so you don't need to worry about it yet.

HTH
Eliot


many thanks,

mariano


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just FYI (and in case someone wonders), I spoke to Eliot today and it seems indeed to have been a very noisy restaurant ;-) Eliot was referring to his "Alien" work which is an FFI replacement (which we have spoken about on some occasions) but as far as I am aware the code has not been published anywhere.

It certainly was never sent to the VM maintainers.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


Andreas Raab wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote:
Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
   dan, john, andreas, tim,
but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)

I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll ask Eliot when he's back.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:


Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:

Hi all

I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM maintainers.


I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F

Whom did he sent it to exactly?

- Bert -



















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Re: [squeak-dev] Re: About Eliot FFi changes

Mariano Martinez Peck
Ok, perfect. Many thanks Eliot

Mariano

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry, but these are "changes" or "refactors" ?.

It is an alternative FFI.
 
I mean, do these changes affect FFI uses, public interface or something? Suppose I am using FFI in a project, should I care about this ?

No.  It is being used in the Newspeak system and I will probably use elements of it in my work at Qwaq and eventually it may be used to augment or reimplement parts of the existing FFI.  But that's in the future and so you don't need to worry about it yet.

HTH
Eliot


many thanks,

mariano


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just FYI (and in case someone wonders), I spoke to Eliot today and it seems indeed to have been a very noisy restaurant ;-) Eliot was referring to his "Alien" work which is an FFI replacement (which we have spoken about on some occasions) but as far as I am aware the code has not been published anywhere.

It certainly was never sent to the VM maintainers.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


Andreas Raab wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote:
Eliot told me (from memory so can be wrong)
   dan, john, andreas, tim,
but this was in a noisy restaurant (but good)

I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll ask Eliot when he's back.

Cheers,
 - Andreas


On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:


Am 30.08.2008 um 12:26 schrieb stephane ducasse:

Hi all

I discussed at ESUG with Eliot and he told us that he sent a while ago
his changes to get a much nicer FFI implementation to the VM maintainers.


I do not remember seeing this on the vm-dev list:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ffi+eliot+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.squeakfoundation.org%2Fpipermail%2Fvm-dev%2F

Whom did he sent it to exactly?

- Bert -