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Torsten Bergmann

[squeak-dev] Algernon issues with sq3.10-7159dev08.05.2

Hi Igor,

I already reported this offlist. See comments from the developers below.

Bye
Torsten

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:09:41 -0600
Von: Erik Hinterbichler <[hidden email]>
An: Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
CC: "Torsten Bergmann" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email], [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: Algernon in Dev-Images

It looks like this happens because refreshItems is run every time a
new class is added, and so it's being run many times when you load a
new package. We did that to make Algernon automatically stay up to
date when new items were added, but if it slows down loading of
packages we may need to remove that feature. Either that or we would
need to figure out a way to prevent refreshItems from being run until
the very end of a package being loaded.

We'll experiment and try to have a new version out before the new
image is created. Torsten, in the meantime if Algernon is slowing you
down you can remove it by bringing it up with shift-return and then
bringing up a halo on it and deleting it.

Thanks,
Erik

On May 20, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:

> Hi Torsten,
>
> thank you for the information. I will generate a new image in 10 days
> approximately. If I have no answer from the developers, I will remove
> it. However, I would really appreciate if this could be fixed as I
> think Algernon can really help developers.
>
>
> Bye
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Hi Damien,
>>
>> sq3.10-7159dev08.05.2.zip from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299
>> now also includes "Algernon" but this extremely slows down loading
>> of other packages.
>>
>> Try loading KomHttpServer 7.0.4 using the universe browser
>> in this image. A lot of time is spent in Algernon>>refreshItems
>> during the load.
>>
>> Maybe someone fixes this or you should make this an optional package.
>>
>> Thx
>> Torsten
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good
> luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

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Igor Stasenko

Re: [squeak-dev] Algernon issues with sq3.10-7159dev08.05.2

I suggest to review the implementation of #deactivate method.
Classes which going to be uninstalled receiving #deactivate message.

So on #deactivate, algernon should:
a) remove itself from world
b) stop listening keyboard events
c) stop listening system notifications

Also, Algernon coupling both model & view(morph), which i think not very good.
I think it should have detached model and view, and create a morph
only when it needs to show itself (triggered by activate key) , and
delete morph after use, instead of hiding.
In this way, it would be much easier to use algernon interface in OB
mercury pane, for instance.

2008/5/29 Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Igor,
>
> I already reported this offlist. See comments from the developers below.
>
> Bye
> Torsten
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:09:41 -0600
> Von: Erik Hinterbichler <[hidden email]>
> An: Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
> CC: "Torsten Bergmann" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email], [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: Algernon in Dev-Images
>
> It looks like this happens because refreshItems is run every time a
> new class is added, and so it's being run many times when you load a
> new package. We did that to make Algernon automatically stay up to
> date when new items were added, but if it slows down loading of
> packages we may need to remove that feature. Either that or we would
> need to figure out a way to prevent refreshItems from being run until
> the very end of a package being loaded.
>
> We'll experiment and try to have a new version out before the new
> image is created. Torsten, in the meantime if Algernon is slowing you
> down you can remove it by bringing it up with shift-return and then
> bringing up a halo on it and deleting it.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
> On May 20, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
>
>> Hi Torsten,
>>
>> thank you for the information. I will generate a new image in 10 days
>> approximately. If I have no answer from the developers, I will remove
>> it. However, I would really appreciate if this could be fixed as I
>> think Algernon can really help developers.
>>
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Damien,
>>>
>>> sq3.10-7159dev08.05.2.zip from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299
>>> now also includes "Algernon" but this extremely slows down loading
>>> of other packages.
>>>
>>> Try loading KomHttpServer 7.0.4 using the universe browser
>>> in this image. A lot of time is spent in Algernon>>refreshItems
>>> during the load.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone fixes this or you should make this an optional package.
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Torsten
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good
>> luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)
>
> --
> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten
> Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser
>
>

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