[squeak-dev] Fwd: Web page with status of squeak license issue resolution?

On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:43 , Damien Pollet wrote:

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> From: José L. Redrejo Rodríguez <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Web page with status of squeak license issue resolution?
> To: Petter Reinholdtsen <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Damien Pollet <[hidden email]>, debian-
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>  El mar, 26-02-2008 a las 08:29 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:
>
>
>> Hi.  We spoke together after your lightning talk on FOSDEM about
>> getting squeak into Debian.  You mentioned that there is slow
>> progress
>> in getting the license question resolved, but that it is a lot of
>> work.  Is there a web page documenting the status of this work?  Like
>> who need to be contacted, who is already contacted and who is left to
>> contact?
>>
>> As I mentioned earlier, we in the Debian Edu community are interested
>> in including squeak into our distribution, and for this reason
>> want to
>> see it in Debian/main.  CC to our list to keep the other maintainers
>> updated on the squeak status.
>>
>> I've found <URL:http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/159> and
>> <URL:http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3733> but did not see any
>> information there about the work on contacting previous authors to
>> get
>> them to agree on a relicensing.
>>
>
>
>  Those page are obsolete.
>  The relicensing process is described and updated at
>  http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016
>
>  As the part of code that has not been relicensed is because
> contacting
>  the authors has not been possible, current plans are rewritting that
>  part of code.
>
>  About taking Squeak in Debian, I have an ITP over the squeak virtual
>  machine (#454635) and I plan to upload it as soon as I have time to
>  finish a couple of pending patches for 64 bits platforms.
>  There are different ways to use Squeak, people from squeak.org are
> more
>  focused in using squeak as a development tool, and people from
>  squeakland.org are more focused in using it for kids and teaching and
>  currently working on the OLPC project. My intention is to do the
>  squeak-vm interface oriented to teachers and students and give to the
>  interface as better integration with the desktop as possible.
>
>  For future Squeak images, as soon as the license issue is
> finished, we
>  can work on different images. At Extremadura we have been working on
>  customizing the image with a more updated interface, more eyecandy
> and
>  adding projects from all around the world (Germany, Japan, Spain &
> USA)
>  with a lot of educative tools. The project and the image is
> available at
>  http://squeak.educarex.es. We have also made some interactive
> books for
>  maths with the image. Those images are used in our school and will be
>  uploaded to Debian when possible.
>
>  So, in brief, today smalltalk developers are needed to recode the
> small
>  part of code that has not been relicensed yet. There are some voices
>  that say that FSF allows releasing under a free license if the
>  percentage of code without the license is lower than 5%. If that were
>  true it could be done today, but nobody is sure about it.
>
>  Regards.
>  José L.


A Fedora developer recently pointed out the mix of licenses in the VM
source code:

> Also note, significant portions of this package appear to be dual
> licensed under
> the LGPLv2.1+ and the Squeak license, neither of which are MIT.
>
> ./platforms/Cross/plugins/JPEGReadWriter2Plugin/jcomapi.c
> notes it is licensed and to read a README file, but no such file
> exists
> (contrary to the Independent JPEG Group's license).  It might be
> considered free
> enough, but that's not entirely clear.
>
> There's a boatload of MP3 plugin code here.  MP3 is patented.
>
> ./platforms/Cross/plugins/SoundCodecPrims/ is missing a COPYRIGHT file
> containing the license for code in that dir too.
>
> There's a lot of stuff under a Sun copyright with a permissive
> license.
>
> There's stuff under the Squeak license, not dual-licensed.
>
> There's Perl-Compatible-Regular-Expressions which is yet another
> license...
>
> There's GPLv2+ code in ./platforms/unix/plugins/VideoForLinuxPlugin/
> ccvt_types.h


(from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247983)

We intend to clean this up, which may well end up removing code. If
this hurts anyone, they'll surely implement a replacement ;)


- Bert -

On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 16:05 +0100, José Luis Redrejo wrote:
> squeak-vm has just been officially accepted in Debian. It will be
> available in the archives and mirrors tonight.  In the meantime,
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html
> has the details for it.
>

This is good news. Unfortunately the link does not work. There is no
squeak page in /new/

regards,

Norbert

José Luis Redrejo a écrit :

> squeak-vm has just been officially accepted in Debian. It will be available
> in the archives and mirrors tonight.  In the meantime,
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html has
> the details for it.


does this vm have the MIDI plugin ?

Stef

Ok, it's worth mentioning then that via funding from Viewpoints
Research Institute, Inc I am working on a
GStreamer plugin for squeak in order to address video licensing issues
on linux based machines, aka OLPC.

http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/

With a target completion date the end of March.

Although the standard set of GStreamer features does not support MPEG,
those patent encumbered codecs are GStreamer loadable options.

How this will be supported on os-x and windows is unknown since
loading GStreamer on os-x is an all morning affair.




On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:38 AM, José Luis Redrejo wrote:

> Yes, the only plugin removed from the current svn sources is
> MPEG3Plugin.
> All the info on the changes done to the upstream sources are at
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/squeak-vm/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1/changelog
>
> Regards.
> José L.
>
> 2008/3/16, Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]>: José Luis
> Redrejo a écrit :
>
> > squeak-vm has just been officially accepted in Debian. It will be
> available
> > in the archives and mirrors tonight.  In the meantime,
> > http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html
>  has
> > the details for it.
>
>
> does this vm have the MIDI plugin ?
>
> Stef
>


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