[squeak-dev] How to load Monticello into etoys-dev-3.0 (again!)

Hi all,

Here's what I did:

1. Download fresh etoys-dev-3.0
2. Load code updates (to #1957)
3. Open SqueakMap package loader, and answer yes to the "upgrade to
   2.2?" question
4. Answer yes to the "install Monticello?" question

I get "error occured when updating map: key not found", in
MCWorkingCopy class >> infoFromDictionary:cache:

I already tried loading this stuff via LevelPlayingField, but got
errors there too.  I don't think etoys-dev-3.0 is supported there
yet.

If I answer no to the "install Monticello?" question, and then try to
install Monticello 231 from SqueakMap, I get what looks like the same error.

So, how do I load Monticello into etoys-dev-3.0?  Any help
appreciated!

cheers,
Simon

PS: I see Scott asked the question, would it be worth shipping a dev
image with SqueakMap package loader 2.2 and Monticello pre-installed.
From my perspective, yes indeed!

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  So, how do I load Monticello into etoys-dev-3.0?  Any help
>  appreciated!

This will work (on a clean 3.0 image anyway). It's a bit hackish, but hey:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys_Tips_and_Tricks#Installing_Monticello_on_your_Etoys_image

At Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:18:18 +0545,
Ties Stuij wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >  So, how do I load Monticello into etoys-dev-3.0?  Any help
> >  appreciated!
>
> This will work (on a clean 3.0 image anyway). It's a bit hackish, but hey:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys_Tips_and_Tricks#Installing_Monticello_on_your_Etoys_image

OK, that explains why I couldn't work it out myself ... !

Thanks for your help.

cheers,
Simon

> At Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:18:18 +0545,
> Ties Stuij wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >  So, how do I load Monticello into etoys-dev-3.0?  Any help
> > >  appreciated!
> >
> > This will work (on a clean 3.0 image anyway). It's a bit hackish, but hey:
> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys_Tips_and_Tricks#Installing_Monticello_on_your_Etoys_image

Sigh, just hit the next problem.

The wiki says "upgrade Monticello if you like".

Having tried to use it as it is, I keep getting "key not found" errors
when loading an .mcz file.  So I thought to upgrade it.  But I can't,
as I get more key not found errors.

I don't think this stuff is usable by those at my level just yet, so
I'm having to give up.

My observation is that Etoys-3.0 is the place I want to be.  But it's
simply too hard to get this working with SqueakMap and Monticello.  I
need those to load OSProcess, so I can get my LatexMorph working.  But
it's all too hard, and there are too many pitfalls I don't know how to
negotiate.  I could go back to squeak-3.10 where this stuff works, but
then I lose the really neat OLPC Etoys stuff.  Sigh.

cheers,
Simon

El 4/8/08 6:29 AM, "Simon Guest" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> I could go back to squeak-3.10 where this stuff works, but
> then I lose the really neat OLPC Etoys stuff.
You don't need lose .
3.10 still have Etoys into.
Still lacks how to read OLPC .pr directly, but some of us are working on it.
All could be easier is major forks have a common base as I try to have with
my proposals of 3.11 (now sleeping until better days).

Edgar

On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:29:22PM +1200, Simon Guest wrote:
>
> My observation is that Etoys-3.0 is the place I want to be.  But it's
> simply too hard to get this working with SqueakMap and Monticello.  I
> need those to load OSProcess, so I can get my LatexMorph working.  But
> it's all too hard, and there are too many pitfalls I don't know how to
> negotiate.  I could go back to squeak-3.10 where this stuff works, but
> then I lose the really neat OLPC Etoys stuff.  Sigh.
>

Hi Simon,

I don't have time right now, but if it would help I'd be happy to
put OSProcess and CommandShell into change sets that you could (hopefully)
load into Etoys-3.0. Or as a workaround you could just file them out
of another Squeak image and file them back in to your Etoys image.

Dave

David T. Lewis wrote: The OSProcess sar from SqueakMap can be filed into the Etoys-3.0 image
without problems as far as I can tell.
Just download it and file it in from FileList

Karl

On 08.04.2008, at 02:13, Simon Guest wrote:

The problem is that the Squeakmap update process tries to install a  
Monticello version that cannot cope with the stubs left by MCInstaller  
(at least that's my theory of the problem). I can load it, when the  
walkback pops up I edit the offending method in place (wrapping the  
ancestor creation in an #ifError: block) and continue. But I can see  
how this won't fly with other users ;)

We should indeed consider adding Monticello to the -dev image and  
stripping it out for the release. Or maybe even better, fix the  
Squeakmap update process so it can be easily installed.

- Bert -

On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 09:30:05PM +1200, Simon Guest wrote:
I fixed LevelPlayingField to work on a fresh eToys 2.3 image,
and now I use eToys-dev-2.3 + LPF for my day-to-day development. I
can look into what is causing this to not work on EToys 3.0 and
update the LPF script appropriately. I'll check this out
tomorrow.

--
Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

At Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:07:08 +0200,
karl  wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the help and encouragement.  Yes, I managed to file in the
OSProcess sar.  Will press on for now ...

cheers,
Simon