[squeak-dev] Limbo, again!

Limbo, again!


3.10.2 is released.

4.0 is on the horizon (and behind schedule).

3.11 or 3.10.3 is where?

The reason I complain is that currently
 there are fixes available to vexing problems with 3.10.2
(fonts stabilitity, FFI installability).
But no easy way for users to get the benifit of them.
( I consider loading the patches individually into the images
 not to be particularly easy).

Mantis reports:
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7140
0007140: Loading FFI renders sockets non-functional.
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6980
0006980: Loading FFI kernel makes NetNameResolver unresponsive

The fact this now has a duplicate indicates how much the fix is needed.

0006577: In sq 7170 loaded projects get unexpected font changes
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6577

I've written a dozen emails about this.
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2008-June/129332.html
[squeak-dev] 3.10.2-rc is missing TTCFont registry fixes M6577FontRegFix-wiz.2.cs

I'd rather spend my time on newer bugs.

So, Randal, if you and the rest of the board
 can solve the harvesting problem or
 even improve the current state of affairs.
You would have my gratitude.


My question for the board, (particularly in the person of Randal )
 is how do we move forward NOW?

Yours in service and curiosity, --Jerome Peace



     

El 8/2/08 6:38 PM, "Jerome Peace" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> My question for the board, (particularly in the person of Randal )
>  is how do we move forward NOW?

Well , I said all I have a working system

http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6056

It's 2/3 of 3.10 size, more modular, could grow to FunSqueak 7 and load all
current , many older and a lot more.

I was ready to move my compressed classes database to official servers and
extend the look and load of classes for wider compatibility.

I can't go to Amsterdam because no money , but bet any beer any coming to
Smalltalks 2008 this year could drink to my dark horse !!!


Edgar

Jerome Peace wrote:
> Limbo, again!
>
>
> 3.10.2 is released.
>
> 4.0 is on the horizon (and behind schedule).
>  

> 3.11 or 3.10.3 is where?
>  
We have been working on 3.11, particular effort has been expended in the
political arena... we now have an official 3.11 plan ratified by the
board. Of course this leaves the task of actually doing it...

Matthew and I have a fairly good idea of where we want to go with
things. The goals we have set for 3.11 are far broader than just
throwing a new image at the community at some future date. We are aiming
to take some responsibility and provide mechanisms for supporting all
users of squeak whatever image version to have a better experience.

We do this in recognition that there is a brave new world coming in the
shape of Squeak 4.0 and we are looking to put together a process that
supports everyone else in the meantime, tending to more stable
production images for everyone.

I myself am currently fighting my own deadlines, and looking after
someone (24/7) who is virtually catatonic at the moment, so some
essential parts of the tools chain are in stasis right now while I am
stressed out of my mind.

However its not all bad news, one of the major goals of 3.11 is to
include LPF with atomic loading provided by MC1.6, and simultaneously to
provide this for 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, Croquet, Pharo and etoys. AFAIK. Matthew
has made great progress towards this goal.

Other goals and progress are available to see on
http://installer.pbwiki.com/311 and related pages.
> The reason I complain is that currently
>  there are fixes available to vexing problems with 3.10.2
> (fonts stabilitity, FFI installability).
> But no easy way for users to get the benifit of them.
>  
Not true...

Any fixes needed for specific packages can be added to the load scripts
in Sake/Packages, and many such fixes have been in place for a couple of
months now, including FFI and Fonts.

To take advantage of these simply load LPF and Sake/Packages.

Installer upgrade.
Installer install: 'LevelPlayingField'.
Installer install: 'Packages'.

Matthew and Ken have just completed a review checking all packages in
SqueakMap
This is another task intended to support the whole community in keeping
with our broader goals. You surely must know that there is a list of other fixes available on
http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable page.
As far as I know Ken Brown and I are the only people using this list in
our working images to test things out.
 
To see what would be loaded...
Installer view: 'LatestUnstable'.

Or to actually perform the load.
Installer install: 'LatestUnstable'.

The community can contribute to assessing the fixes listed there, we
need votes as to which deserve to be transferred to the MinorFixes
(non-Unstable) task which is used as part of the 3.11 build script.
> The fact this now has a duplicate indicates how much the fix is needed.
>
> 0006577: In sq 7170 loaded projects get unexpected font changes
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6577
>
> I've written a dozen emails about this.
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2008-June/129332.html
> [squeak-dev] 3.10.2-rc is missing TTCFont registry fixes M6577FontRegFix-wiz.2.cs
>  
Is this on MinorFixesUnstable?
> I'd rather spend my time on newer bugs.
>
> So, Randal, if you and the rest of the board
>  can solve the harvesting problem or
>  even improve the current state of affairs.
> You would have my gratitude.
>  
I do not think we have a harvesting problem, since we have a process in
place, and the political will from the board to endorse this process.
There are 40 bugs on the MinorFixesUnstable page and I run my images
with all of them. Feel free to add some more. This is our current
harvesting in-tray. Ok so it may not be ideal, and we await the build
test server (my bad), but it is a process that is in place and it does
work to some extent.
> My question for the board, (particularly in the person of Randal )
>  is how do we move forward NOW?
>  
The board made one decision... to cancel any 3.11... and following my
suggestion, they reversed that decision. 3.11 lives but as a result of
my protests I stepped up to the leadership role. The unfortunate penalty
for this decision being that I have to pay my rent first, and "cure" the
aforementioned catatonic person.

So please join us in irc #squeak where matthew and I hang out most
evenings, and we can advise you on how to make best use of things that
are in place or currently being worked on.
> Yours in service and curiosity, --Jerome Peace
>
>  
best regards

Keith

p.s.  We also anticipate reviewing Edgars image so that his hard work
can be included along side ours

I missed out the obvious link, namely the proposal that Matthew (who
deserves the credit) and I put to the board
http://installer.pbwiki.org/Squeak311Proposal

Keith

El 8/2/08 8:20 PM, "Keith Hodges" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> I missed out the obvious link, namely the proposal that Matthew (who
> deserves the credit) and I put to the board
> http://installer.pbwiki.org/Squeak311Proposal
>
> Keith
>
>

> Fixes from Mantis - Currently 40+ in the list

I like to know this list.
I apply to SqueakLightII (SLII) as soon  I know.

If Pavel agree, I could take his morphicCore.image and apply my smart
loading from class repository (SLCR) .

I sorry to tell none of his ImagePack.20080313 images works well, but I
learn a morphicCore could need only 693 classes as my Fenix port to SLII
shows.

I think he reach this with some automatic script and with minor changes
could be the 3.11 base and not wait until 2009.

SLII don't reach this kind on modularization yet with safe reload via
traditional ways like Installer, Universes, SqueakMap or any MC derivative
or with my own SLCR

As I having no feedback, I don't advance in either FunSqueak or SLII.

Sorry to hear about your personal troubles and you have all my support for
hard times.

Edgar