[squeak-dev] RE: [Newbies] audio query

Hi Ken,

You can play mp3 files within Squeak, and ogg is now available in
Etoys, but I'm not that familiar with the inclusion.
OSC is available in squeak
(http://map.squeak.org/package/61f807be-83a3-4944-bfa1-686ddac7153c)
so you can interface with programs like SuperCollider which is what
Cesare Marilungo is doing..
(http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/sw/supercollider-morphs-for-squeak)
Stéphane Rollandin has create µO
(http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/sqgeo.htm). I don't know the
current state. Maybe Cesare and Stéphane can give us an update. Craig
Latta had done some work with midi, but I don't think it's integrated
into the main image. Craig?

(I'm forwarding your email to the Squeak-Dev mailing list. The Squeak
Audio mailing list seems to be removed. Anyone know about that?)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kenneth Sherwood <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Subject: [Newbies] audio query
To: [hidden email]


As a writer and non-programmer (high school Fortran in 1986) who has
used out-of-the-box tools such as flash and dreamweaver, I've just
begun teaching myself Squeak--which was recommended by a hypertext
writer/aquaintence Jim Rosenberg.  My interest is in building
interactive text / audio projects and live-art-performance tools in a
user-defined workspace apart from the constraints/habits associated
with Flash and Director, and without the platform dependence and
proprietary concerns.  I've gathered what seem to be the "classic"
beginner texts: Squeak: Learn Programming with Robots, Squeak: A Quick
Trip to ObjectLand, and Squeak: Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia
Application (Guzdial).
Can anyone speak to the multimedia potential of Squeak and/or its
likely development trajectory, especially with regard to audio? The
midi tools and synthesis look promising, but as I've mostly worked
with recorded voices, I was worried to see no apparent support for
compressed audio. Most of my searching in the news-groups has turned
up dead-ends, like the tool called "Siren" that is now written for a
different smalltalk dialect. I see the Guzdial now seems to be
publishing books on Python and Java as "multimedia" languages, and I
sense much development work must be going into Croquet.

So in short, can someone with experience using squeak in a multi-media
presentational format, especially audio, reassure me that what will be
the somewhat steeper learning curve (for a self-taught,
non-programmer) will pay off?

Many thanks...
Ken

__________________________________
Kenneth Sherwood, PhD
Associate Professor of English
Graduate Program in Literature and Criticism
110 Leonard Hall
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana, PA 15705

www.sherwoodweb.org

Brad Fuller a écrit :
> (I'm forwarding your email to the Squeak-Dev mailing list. The Squeak
> Audio mailing list seems to be removed. Anyone know about that?)

I answered in Squeak-Audio. Seems to work fine, although the traffic has
been non-existent for months.

Stef

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Stéphane Rollandin
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Brad Fuller a écrit :
>>
>> (I'm forwarding your email to the Squeak-Dev mailing list. The Squeak
>> Audio mailing list seems to be removed. Anyone know about that?)
>
> I answered in Squeak-Audio. Seems to work fine, although the traffic has
> been non-existent for months.

can you tell me the mailman URL? I have:
http://www.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/options/squeakaudio

but it doesn't exist.

Brad Fuller wrote: Nabble has this:
http://www.nabble.com/Squeak---Audio-f14161.html

Karl

Sorry, Stéphane replied to me privately that the URL was changed to:

http://lists.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/squeakaudio

It's a list that rarely gets used, but it isn't part of the squeak.org
mailing lists - so, you can't go to our website and find the URL.
Maybe we should take it over?

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Karl Ramberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

--
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com

A bit OT -- Did anyone else receive recent email from the Squeak-Audio
list? I see on Nabble (thanks Karl) that there were 3 recent emails
(one was mine) but I never received them.

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry, Stéphane replied to me privately that the URL was changed to:
>
> http://lists.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/squeakaudio
>
> It's a list that rarely gets used, but it isn't part of the squeak.org
> mailing lists - so, you can't go to our website and find the URL.
> Maybe we should take it over?
>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Sorry, Stéphane replied to me privately that the URL was changed to:
>
> http://lists.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/squeakaudio
>
> It's a list that rarely gets used, but it isn't part of the squeak.org
> mailing lists - so, you can't go to our website and find the URL.
> Maybe we should take it over?
>  
We should at least update all links from the swiki and from squeak.org
(if there are any)

Karl

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Karl Ramberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> We should at least update all links from the swiki and from squeak.org (if
> there are any)

yes, we should.
What I was referring to (and I should have placed it in the original
email) was this URL:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo

>From the Community>HowTo page (http://squeak.org/Community/HowTo/)

It lists all the squeak mailing lists except for Squeak-Audio.

We also have this list that is pointed from the community page
(http://squeak.org/Community/):
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/608

This is a topic for the webteam, so I'll copy them and we should move
it to that list.

I received some this week.

Steve




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Hi Brad--

 > [You've] done some work with midi, but I don't think it's integrated
 > into the main image?

      Yeah, I've done an object model of the MIDI spec for my Quoth
project[1], which I haven't released (I'm planning one for equinox,
2008-09-22). I'm doing that release using the module system I'm writing
for Spoon[2], which I plan to put out on solstice, 2008-06-20.


      thanks,

-C

[1] http://netjam.org/quoth
[2] http://netjam.org/spoon

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]