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Jerome Peace

[squeak-dev] Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)

Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)

Hi Ken, Hi Edgar, Hi Klaus,

First appreciation.
It is very good to see fixes to 3.10 come out
and to see a project run to schedule.

Second appreciation in the form of critism.
I just downloaded the revised 3.10.1.
The first thing it tells me is that it is broken
and that I should click for an update and save the image.

Everybody who down loads squeak must do this.

Does something about this sound wrong to you?

A revision to fix mistakes should not need user interaction
to fix mistakes made to the revision in the last step.

First, you wonder why the releasers just did not
do those two steps before the release.

Second, if you look into the problem you will see that
updating to 7175 from the update stream avoids the mistake entirely.
The phantom catagory is not there.
The downside of doing it this way is that the changes file is not condensed.
So why not add a changeset with postscript to do only that?
Then release the result?

Yours in service and curiosity, --Jerome Peace

Klaus D. Witzel

[squeak-dev] Re: Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)

On Sat, 31 May 2008 04:09:39 +0200, Jerome Peace wrote:

> Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)

I think you describe your appreciation/critique as if the issues which Ken
was concerned about can be fixed and uploaded to the public download area
until everybody is happy with them :(

Can you reformulate so that the [main] concerns which Ken raised in his
message on Wednesday are addressed, if possible one-by-one, TIA.

/Klaus

> Hi Ken, Hi Edgar, Hi Klaus,
>
> First appreciation.
> It is very good to see fixes to 3.10 come out
> and to see a project run to schedule.
>
> Second appreciation in the form of critism.
> I just downloaded the revised 3.10.1.
> The first thing it tells me is that it is broken
> and that I should click for an update and save the image.
>
> Everybody who down loads squeak must do this.
>
> Does something about this sound wrong to you?
>
> A revision to fix mistakes should not need user interaction
> to fix mistakes made to the revision in the last step.
>
> First, you wonder why the releasers just did not
> do those two steps before the release.
>
> Second, if you look into the problem you will see that
> updating to 7175 from the update stream avoids the mistake entirely.
> The phantom catagory is not there.
> The downside of doing it this way is that the changes file is not
> condensed.
> So why not add a changeset with postscript to do only that?
> Then release the result?
>
> Yours in service and curiosity, --Jerome Peace
>
>
>
>

Edgar J. De Cleene

Re: [squeak-dev] Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)

In reply to this post by Jerome Peace

El 5/30/08 11:09 PM, "Jerome Peace" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> Revising Squeak 7175 (3.10.1)
>
> Hi Ken, Hi Edgar, Hi Klaus,
>
> First appreciation.
> It is very good to see fixes to 3.10 come out
> and to see a project run to schedule.
>
> Second appreciation in the form of critism.
> I just downloaded the revised 3.10.1.
> The first thing it tells me is that it is broken
> and that I should click for an update and save the image.
>
> Everybody who down loads squeak must do this.
>
> Does something about this sound wrong to you?
>
> A revision to fix mistakes should not need user interaction
> to fix mistakes made to the revision in the last step.
>
> First, you wonder why the releasers just did not
> do those two steps before the release.
>
> Second, if you look into the problem you will see that
> updating to 7175 from the update stream avoids the mistake entirely.
> The phantom catagory is not there.
> The downside of doing it this way is that the changes file is not condensed.
> So why not add a changeset with postscript to do only that?
> Then release the result?
>
> Yours in service and curiosity, --Jerome Peace

Any 3.10.1 related , different to my hard questioned decisions of going back
to old trusted .cs , 3.8 good practices and try to put all Mantis reports
still relevant to 3.10 into the release is not me.

At the moment I only continue FunSqueak and shortly retake my own way.

To any wishing know.

I decide re-made from 3.9 with .cs only.
I decide call SqueakLightII as others do his 3.11 view.
I try to go as closer as MinimalMorphic as possible, but keeping Flaps, the
Projects save and load again, the Morphs save and load again.

Also I try to revamp my "class repository" idea, as any could see in
ftp://[hidden email]:21/squeakros.atspace.com/CompressedClas
ses
pass is squeak , as you could guess

The files there come from 3.8 , sqz files was gzipped files made by Squeak

All this have 8 months of not going forward .

I'm 59 now. Have a year less to do things.

So I could do a better Squeak if any is with me.

Or take a comfortable coach and see "Titanic" again...

Edgar