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[squeak-dev] Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?

Jerome Peace

Hi Chris,

That sounds like the problem.

So is there someone in the community willing to take responsibility for getting this fixed in the distribution? Please?

Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace


[squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu
Chris Kassopulo ckasso at sprynet.com
Sat Apr 11 06:34:04 UTC 2009

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:25:40 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I recently installed Squeak 3.9 on Ubuntu from squeak.org distribution.
> None of the sounds work in any of the images started with the squeak
> command.
>
> I had previously installed Etoys from the Squeakland distribution and I
> have no problem with hearing that.
>
> Whats different?
>
> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace

Chris replied:

Hi Jerome,

Maybe related to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/235146

Look to see if have the vm-sound-ALSA plugin.

Chris




     

Ties Stuij
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Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?

Ties Stuij
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Jerome Peace
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> That sounds like the problem.
>
> So is there someone in the community willing to take responsibility for getting this fixed in the distribution? Please?

Note btw that this issue goes away in Ubuntu releases after 8.04 I believe.

/Ties


>
> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
>
>
> [squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu
> Chris Kassopulo ckasso at sprynet.com
> Sat Apr 11 06:34:04 UTC 2009
>
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:25:40 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I recently installed Squeak 3.9 on Ubuntu from squeak.org distribution.
>> None of the sounds work in any of the images started with the squeak
>> command.
>>
>> I had previously installed Etoys from the Squeakland distribution and I
>> have no problem with hearing that.
>>
>> Whats different?
>>
>> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
>
> Chris replied:
>
> Hi Jerome,
>
> Maybe related to
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/235146
>
> Look to see if have the vm-sound-ALSA plugin.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bert Freudenberg
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Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?

Bert Freudenberg
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On 11.04.2009, at 09:25, Jerome Peace wrote:

> So is there someone in the community willing to take responsibility  
> for getting this fixed in the distribution? Please?

It would be great indeed if someone who actually knows Squeak would  
help in the VM packaging efforts for the various Linux distributions.  
The packages  are mostly outdated, not built correctly, missing  
plugins etc. - though I'm still grateful for the volunteer packagers'  
work done so far. They're Squeak's ambassadors to the larger open-
source community and need our support.

I'm here to help and give advice (both as Linux VM hacker and the  
Board's new VM team advisor) but I can't actually spend the time  
maintaining a distro package myself (I did so for the OLPC distro but  
it is switching to plain Fedora now). If you want to help please  
contact me.

- Bert -

> Maybe related to
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/235146
Jerome Peace
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Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?

Jerome Peace
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--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Ties Stuij <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Ties Stuij <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?
> To: [hidden email], "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:47 AM
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Jerome Peace
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > That sounds like the problem.
> >
> > So is there someone in the community willing to take
> responsibility for getting this fixed in the distribution?
> Please?
>
> Note btw that this issue goes away in Ubuntu releases after
> 8.04 I believe.
>
> /Ties

I am using Ubuntu 8.04, sound does not work in squeak does work in etoys.
Unless someone says they know first hand otherwise, we have to accept that this is our problem not Ubuntu's.

I am a bug repairer and developer. It is important to me that this blocking level problem be fix not only for me but for everyone who installs the squeak distribution on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the most widely distributed Linux. It represents a chance to reach many in the free software community. The ones most capable of aiding the squeak community in the long run. It should not be stuck with a crippled distribution.

The problem is solved for etoys so their should be a way to apply that cure to squeak.  

So I am asking again. Is there someone willing to take responsibility for solving this problem for the squeak org distibution?
Bert has offered his expertise and  support.
So will someone come forward and take the primary role? Please?
 
 Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace

> >
> >
> > [squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu
> > Chris Kassopulo ckasso at sprynet.com
> > Sat Apr 11 06:34:04 UTC 2009
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:25:40 -0700, Jerome Peace
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I recently installed Squeak 3.9 on Ubuntu from
> squeak.org distribution.
> >> None of the sounds work in any of the images
> started with the squeak
> >> command.
> >>
> >> I had previously installed Etoys from the
> Squeakland distribution and I
> >> have no problem with hearing that.
> >>
> >> Whats different?
> >>
> >> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
> >
> > Chris replied:
> >
> > Hi Jerome,
> >
> > Maybe related to
> >
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/235146
> >
> > Look to see if have the vm-sound-ALSA plugin.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


     

Stéphane Rollandin
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Stéphane Rollandin
also, there is currently no MIDI plugin for linux AFAIK.

Stef


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[squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix it?

Chris Kassopulo-2
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:47:39 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
>
> I am using Ubuntu 8.04, sound does not work in squeak does work in
> etoys. Unless someone says they know first hand otherwise, we have to
> accept that this is our problem not Ubuntu's.
>

Hi Jerome,

It's a packaging issue.  Unlike etoys, squeak-vm for Ubuntu is just not
packaged with sound.  They look for the sound plugin in different places.
If both used the same file hierarchy, sound would have worked in Squeak.

Ubuntu's packages are generated from the Debian repository.  The Debian
packages can be installed on any Debian based distro.

Debian now has a squeak-vm package that looks like the real deal (see
below for file list).  The package page points to squeak.org to download
image and sources files.

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/squeak-vm

The proper fix is for Ubuntu to Ubuntu-ize the new Debian squeak-vm.
That way it is easily available to Ubuntu users through Synaptic.
Anyone know how to motivate the Ubuntu packagers?

An alternative is to test the Debian package and provide instructions
for Debian based users.

Debian's squeak-vm package includes:

/usr/bin/squeak
/usr/bin/squeakvm
/usr/bin/xresetcapslock
/usr/lib/mime/packages/squeak
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/AioPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/B3DAcceleratorPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/ClipboardExtendedPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/DBusPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/FileCopyPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/GStreamerPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/ImmX11Plugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/KedamaPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/KedamaPlugin2
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/MIDIPlugin         <<< Stef
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/OggPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/PseudoTTYPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/RomePlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/Squeak3D
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/SqueakFFIPrims
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/UUIDPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/UnixOSProcessPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/VideoForLinuxPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/XDisplayControlPlugin
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/npsqueak.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/squeak
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-X11
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-fbdev
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-null
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-ALSA
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-NAS
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-OSS
/usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-null
/usr/lib/squeak/npsqueakregister
/usr/lib/squeak/npsqueakrun
/usr/share/application-registry/squeak.applications
/usr/share/applications/squeak.desktop
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Contributing.gz
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Keyboard
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Sound.gz
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/copyright
/usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
    gnome-mime-application-squeak-changes.png
/usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
    gnome-mime-application-squeak-changeset.png
/usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
    gnome-mime-application-squeak-image.png
/usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
    gnome-mime-application-squeak-project.png
/usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
    gnome-mime-application-squeak-sources.png
/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
/usr/share/locale/nb/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
/usr/share/man/man1/squeak.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/squeakvm.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/xresetcapslock.1.gz
/usr/share/mime-info/squeak.keys
/usr/share/mime-info/squeak.mime
/usr/share/mime/packages/squeak.xml
/usr/share/pixmaps/squeak.png

Ubuntu's squeak-vm package includes:

/usr/bin/squeakvm
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/AioPlugin.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/PseudoTTYPlugin.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/Squeak3D.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/UnixOSProcessPlugin.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/XDisplayControlPlugin.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/npsqueak.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-X11.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-fbdev.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-null.so
/usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-sound-null.so
/usr/share/binfmts/big-endian-squeak-image
/usr/share/binfmts/little-endian-squeak-image
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/copyright
/usr/share/man/man1/squeakvm.1.gz

Chris


Andrey Larionov
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Andrey Larionov
As i look on provided link Debian has a amd64 package. Is this x64 bit
support VM?

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 05:22, Chris Kassopulo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:47:39 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
>>
>> I am using Ubuntu 8.04, sound does not work in squeak does work in
>> etoys. Unless someone says they know first hand otherwise, we have to
>> accept that this is our problem not Ubuntu's.
>>
>
> Hi Jerome,
>
> It's a packaging issue.  Unlike etoys, squeak-vm for Ubuntu is just not
> packaged with sound.  They look for the sound plugin in different places.
> If both used the same file hierarchy, sound would have worked in Squeak.
>
> Ubuntu's packages are generated from the Debian repository.  The Debian
> packages can be installed on any Debian based distro.
>
> Debian now has a squeak-vm package that looks like the real deal (see
> below for file list).  The package page points to squeak.org to download
> image and sources files.
>
> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/squeak-vm
>
> The proper fix is for Ubuntu to Ubuntu-ize the new Debian squeak-vm.
> That way it is easily available to Ubuntu users through Synaptic.
> Anyone know how to motivate the Ubuntu packagers?
>
> An alternative is to test the Debian package and provide instructions
> for Debian based users.
>
> Debian's squeak-vm package includes:
>
> /usr/bin/squeak
> /usr/bin/squeakvm
> /usr/bin/xresetcapslock
> /usr/lib/mime/packages/squeak
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/AioPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/B3DAcceleratorPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/ClipboardExtendedPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/DBusPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/FileCopyPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/GStreamerPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/ImmX11Plugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/KedamaPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/KedamaPlugin2
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/MIDIPlugin         <<< Stef
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/OggPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/PseudoTTYPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/RomePlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/Squeak3D
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/SqueakFFIPrims
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/UUIDPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/UnixOSProcessPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/VideoForLinuxPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/XDisplayControlPlugin
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/npsqueak.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/squeak
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-X11
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-fbdev
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-display-null
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-ALSA
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-NAS
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-OSS
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.10-3/vm-sound-null
> /usr/lib/squeak/npsqueakregister
> /usr/lib/squeak/npsqueakrun
> /usr/share/application-registry/squeak.applications
> /usr/share/applications/squeak.desktop
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Contributing.gz
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Keyboard
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/README.Sound.gz
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.Debian.gz
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.gz
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/copyright
> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
>    gnome-mime-application-squeak-changes.png
> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
>    gnome-mime-application-squeak-changeset.png
> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
>    gnome-mime-application-squeak-image.png
> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
>    gnome-mime-application-squeak-project.png
> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/
>    gnome-mime-application-squeak-sources.png
> /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
> /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
> /usr/share/locale/nb/LC_MESSAGES/squeak.mo
> /usr/share/man/man1/squeak.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/squeakvm.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/xresetcapslock.1.gz
> /usr/share/mime-info/squeak.keys
> /usr/share/mime-info/squeak.mime
> /usr/share/mime/packages/squeak.xml
> /usr/share/pixmaps/squeak.png
>
> Ubuntu's squeak-vm package includes:
>
> /usr/bin/squeakvm
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/AioPlugin.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/PseudoTTYPlugin.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/Squeak3D.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/UnixOSProcessPlugin.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/XDisplayControlPlugin.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/npsqueak.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-X11.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-fbdev.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-display-null.so
> /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8/vm-sound-null.so
> /usr/share/binfmts/big-endian-squeak-image
> /usr/share/binfmts/little-endian-squeak-image
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/changelog.Debian.gz
> /usr/share/doc/squeak-vm/copyright
> /usr/share/man/man1/squeakvm.1.gz
>
> Chris
>
>
>

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