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Kjell Godo

[squeak-dev]( picoVerse-:( ? No loose methods in Squeak Packages/Projects/Maps/Montecello ? ) )

Hello Squeak developers

Is it true that you cannot include loose methods in

a Squeak or Croquet Package?

I can see where you can include Classes in a Package

but can you include loose Methods?

In Dolphin Smalltalk a Package can include loose

Methods and it is essential for my large Generator

Package to be able to do so. I need to be able to

put the method:

Object>>asGenerator

into the Package etc. etc.

I have been thinking about beginning to port this

Generator Package over to Squeak since there is such

a well defined way of publishing Squeak software into

the web. But if there are no loose Methods in Squeak

Packages then I would have to forget about it.

-Kjell

Rob Rothwell

Re: [squeak-dev]( picoVerse-:( ? No loose methods in Squeak Packages/Projects/Maps/Montecello ? ) )

Kjell,

If your Package name is

APackage,

and you extend Object with

Object>>asGenerator,

simply put asGenerator in a category named:

*apackage (same name as your package, with an * in front)

and Monticello will include the Object extension in the APackage package.

You can read more in the "Squeak By Example book, which you can download at:

http://squeakbyexample.org/

Is this what you meant?

Rob Rothwell

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Kjell Godo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Squeak developers

Is it true that you cannot include loose methods in

a Squeak or Croquet Package?

I can see where you can include Classes in a Package

but can you include loose Methods?

In Dolphin Smalltalk a Package can include loose

Methods and it is essential for my large Generator

Package to be able to do so. I need to be able to

put the method:

Object>>asGenerator

into the Package etc. etc.

I have been thinking about beginning to port this

Generator Package over to Squeak since there is such

a well defined way of publishing Squeak software into

the web. But if there are no loose Methods in Squeak

Packages then I would have to forget about it.

-Kjell

David Mitchell-10

Re: [squeak-dev]( picoVerse-:( ? No loose methods in Squeak Packages/Projects/Maps/Montecello ? ) )

In reply to this post by Kjell Godo

"Loose methods" are what Monticello calls Extensions. Very easy to do
version control on in Monticello by following the naming conventions.

Just make sure the name of the protocol for the method begins with a
star and matches the name of your package.

If your package is named YourPackageName, then you have to use the
*YourPackageName protocol for the loose method.

In the fileout, your example would look like:

Object methodsFor: '*YourPackageName' stamp: 'yourInitials 1/1/2008 15:05'!
asGenerator

Monticello integrates so closely with the browser through naming
conventions that it doesn't feel like a separate tool.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Kjell Godo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Squeak developers
>
> Is it true that you cannot include loose methods in
> a Squeak or Croquet Package?
>
> I can see where you can include Classes in a Package
> but can you include loose Methods?
>
> In Dolphin Smalltalk a Package can include loose
> Methods and it is essential for my large Generator
> Package to be able to do so. I need to be able to
> put the method:
>
> Object>>asGenerator
>
> into the Package etc. etc.
>
> I have been thinking about beginning to port this
> Generator Package over to Squeak since there is such
> a well defined way of publishing Squeak software into
> the web. But if there are no loose Methods in Squeak
> Packages then I would have to forget about it.
>
> -Kjell
>
>
>

Kjell Godo

Re: [squeak-dev]( picoVerse-:( ? No loose methods in Squeak Packages/Projects/Maps/Montecello ? ) )

In reply to this post by Rob Rothwell

Yes this is what I meant.
I am reading Squeak by Example.
But I guess I didn't get that far yet.

Are there any books about the Squeak Compilers? About the Foreign
Function Interface? I would like to know how these things work but
they seem pretty opaque. I have made picoLARC LambaLisp on
sourceforge.net and tried not to make it opaque. Any suggestions
about how i might go about understanding the Squeak compilers and the
VM maker and the FFI interface thing? I am curious. I would like to
step through them. Test cases. I would like to step through test
cases. And just where is the information that allows the FFI to be
made?

Thanks.

On 3/27/08, Rob Rothwell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Kjell,
> If your Package name is
> APackage,
>
> and you extend Object with
> Object>>asGenerator,
>
> simply put asGenerator in a category named:
>
> *apackage (same name as your package, with an * in front)
>
> and Monticello will include the Object extension in the APackage package.
>
> You can read more in the "Squeak By Example book, which you can download at:
>
> http://squeakbyexample.org/
>
> Is this what you meant?
>
> Rob Rothwell

David Mitchell-10

Re: [squeak-dev]( picoVerse-:( ? No loose methods in Squeak Packages/Projects/Maps/Montecello ? ) )

For the compiler, start with class Compiler. You could go to chapter
from the classic Blue Book:
http://users.ipa.net/~dwighth/smalltalk/bluebook/bluebook_chapter26.html#TheCompiler26

For the VM, take a look at some of the chapters in Mark Guzdial's blue
book on Squeak, Open Personal Computing and Multimedia.
Drafts are posted online:
Andrew Greenberg's chapter on slang and calling out of Smalltalk would
probably be helpful.
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks/CollectiveNBlueBook/greenberg.pdf

I found the above links starting with Stef's free books list:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks.html

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Kjell Godo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes this is what I meant.
> I am reading Squeak by Example.
> But I guess I didn't get that far yet.
>
> Are there any books about the Squeak Compilers? About the Foreign
> Function Interface? I would like to know how these things work but
> they seem pretty opaque. I have made picoLARC LambaLisp on
> sourceforge.net and tried not to make it opaque. Any suggestions
> about how i might go about understanding the Squeak compilers and the
> VM maker and the FFI interface thing? I am curious. I would like to
> step through them. Test cases. I would like to step through test
> cases. And just where is the information that allows the FFI to be
> made?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On 3/27/08, Rob Rothwell <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Kjell,
> > If your Package name is
> > APackage,
> >
> > and you extend Object with
> > Object>>asGenerator,
> >
> > simply put asGenerator in a category named:
> >
> > *apackage (same name as your package, with an * in front)
> >
> > and Monticello will include the Object extension in the APackage package.
> >
> > You can read more in the "Squeak By Example book, which you can download at:
> >
> > http://squeakbyexample.org/
> >
> > Is this what you meant?
> >
> > Rob Rothwell
>
>