[squeak-dev] stability of Web Frameworks?

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[squeak-dev] stability of Web Frameworks?

FDominicus
Ok, in the follow line to Smalltalk and Web. I wonder what experiences
there are with the stability of Web Framweworks from the viewpoint of
a user of this Frameworks. Let's ask it the otherway.

if I have some Seaside 2.3 and upgrade to 2.8 (somehow) will it break
my old applications?

The same of course for AidaWeb, how much work must I expect if a new
version comes around.

In the same line of question. How long are the versions maintained and
are bugs still fixed or not?

Regards
Friedrich

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Re: [squeak-dev] stability of Web Frameworks?

Lukas Renggli
> if I have some Seaside 2.3 and upgrade to 2.8 (somehow) will it break
> my old applications?

Detailled differences are listed on the web-site. See "What's new in
Seaside 2.7", "What's new in Seaside 2.8" and "What's new in Seaside
2.9":

    http://www.seaside.st/community/development

Seaside 2.3 is very old, it is likely that you need to refactor big
parts. Especially the rendering engine has changed.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Re: [squeak-dev] stability of Web Frameworks?

Janko Mivšek
In reply to this post by FDominicus
Friedrich wrote:

> Ok, in the follow line to Smalltalk and Web. I wonder what experiences
> there are with the stability of Web Framweworks from the viewpoint of
> a user of this Frameworks. Let's ask it the otherway.
>
> if I have some Seaside 2.3 and upgrade to 2.8 (somehow) will it break
> my old applications?
>
> The same of course for AidaWeb, how much work must I expect if a new
> version comes around.
>
> In the same line of question. How long are the versions maintained and
> are bugs still fixed or not?

Most Aida systems in production currently are 'image as database" based
and must therefore be carefully upgraded to new Aida versions, which is
usually done live, without shutting down. That's why we have quite few
years of experience migrating them without damaging or even loosing
production images. Stability of Aida web systems is therefore guaranteed.

Forthcoming release of Aida 6.0 will need a small migration of existing
classes, for which the necessary scripts are already prepared and also
tested on production systems. I namely update those systems with interim
development versions as well, to test enhancements in reality. So you
can expect a final release as already very stable one.

Short answer: following the migration notes you won't have problems
migrating from 5.6 to 6.0.

Janko

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Re: [squeak-dev] stability of Web Frameworks?

Göran Krampe
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Hi!

Friedrich wrote:
> Ok, in the follow line to Smalltalk and Web. I wonder what experiences
> there are with the stability of Web Framweworks from the viewpoint of
> a user of this Frameworks. Let's ask it the otherway.
>
> if I have some Seaside 2.3 and upgrade to 2.8 (somehow) will it break
> my old applications?

We/I started developing Gjallar in january 2006 (not sure which version
of Seaside was current at the time) and development has continued since
- in different bursts. Gjallar is a relatively large Seaside app, about
90 subclasses of WAComponent. We use Scriptaculous, but not pervasively.

We just recently moved up to the latest and greatest (from 3.8 to 3.10.2
and using latest 2.8) and over this period I must say that sure, some
things here and there broke (but the changes were probably documented)
but fixes were quite easy and it was nothing really problematic.

regards, Göran