Posted by Schwab,Wilhelm K on Dec 05, 2007; 8:00pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/More-feel-observations-tp133820p133821.html

Gary,

That would be great, though please leave out the activation, Windows
Genuine Annoyance(TM), black screen of death, slow copies, etc. ;)  It
certainly is not a high priority, but would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Bill





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>>> [hidden email] 12/5/2007 1:24:18 PM >>>
I could do a "VistaryBasic" subclass, just like ms, lol!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill
Schwab
> Sent: 05 December 2007 6:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [UI] More feel observations
>
>
> Gary,
>
> My v-key complaints are mostly limited to the numeric keypad, but I
> _think_ it is a little broader than that.  Indeed, the Windows VM
does a
> better job, even getting stuff like control-shift-arrow to work
> properly, at least as far as I use them.  Just so I do not sound like
a
> walking shortcut table, some of the weird sequences get exercised in
> proportion to the editing task.  I re-learn them in a hurry, when
> appropriate.  Home and end are staples.
>
> Vistary: I have been doing most of my Squeak hacking on a 1.8 GHz P4
w/
> 512MB, or so it claims.  It is an older machine, and is becoming my
bit
> bucket, which Gnome finds a little taxing.  A preference for
> translucency might be nice.  The truth is, even when the hardware is
up of
> my
> > larger complaints (which I consider to be a sign of progress) is
the
> > apparent lack of support for virtual keys - the home and end in
> > particular - in the unix VM.  My searching so far has not turned
up
> > anything specifically useful, so I will probably submit a question
> to
> > Squeak-dev soon.
>
> Yes, virtual keys... my main gripe is lack of support for function
> keys.
> As for home/end what's the problem with those? Or do you mean just
on
> the
> numeric keypad? (only just noticed now you mention it... ok in
Windows
> though :-) ).
>
> >
> > Vistary, at least on my hardware, is slow enough that I can easily
> type
> > faster than it can keep up.  Soft squeak is much harder to outrun
on
> the
> > same hardware.  Note that I still cannot fully clobber it due to
the
> > virtual key hassles.  Part of my input speed comes from
> > home/tab/past/space/etc/end, sometimes with shift depressed to
make
> > selections. Some of this stuff is so engrained I don't even realize
I
> do
> > it until it doesn't work.
>
> Been a while since I noticed any keyboard lag from Squeak...
> SoftSqueak is certainly the most responsive theme, more than
> StandardSqueak.
> Vistary, due to translucency, is only expected to work well on
modern
> hardware (is fine on my 1.73 GHz Centrino laptop). What's your
> hardware?
>
> >
> > One thing that is in our general area is mouse interaction.  It
will
> be
> > difficult to catch this in the act, but there is pretty clearly
> > something to it.  Have some code in plain sight; now try to
> drag-select
> > it, quickly.  I get unpredictable results; sometimes it selects
what
> I
> > want, usually it does not.  When I have had similar problems in
> other
> > systems, it suggests that the code is picking up current mouse
> > coordinates when it should be using event coordinates.
>
> Not noticed any problems like this... of course, a slower system
might
> highlight such issues.
>
> > Re #mouseClickForKeyboardFocus, it appears to be selectively
> necessary.
> > AFAICT, with other changes you have made, it is somewhat redundant.

> The
> > message name browser is horribly broken without it.  A few times,
I
> have
> > found that when adding methods, I get into a situation where the
> input
> > focus is undefined, or not where I want it anyway, making it
> necessary
> > to click in the code pane of the system browser.  The weird thing
is
> > that in that situation, the cursor needs to be in the code pane
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