Posted by ccrraaiigg on Jul 13, 2007; 8:24pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/Contributors-Agreement-signature-status-tp64554p64565.html


Hi Trygve--

> When I tried to start SPOON at the end of May, I followed your
> instructions to "view the current _installed modules"...

     You're referring to text within the alpha release itself (the
webpage presented on startup).

> ...but got an error. When I reported it, you answered "Great, you got
> as far as trying that! :) Those things don't actually work in that
> release, stay tuned for the next release."

     Now you're referring to a private email message I sent directly to you.

> I may be naive, but I did not expect you to invite me to spend my time
> on things that just cannot work.

     With all due respect, yes, I would call that naive with regard to
what "alpha software" is. We seem to be repeating ourselves here. I
think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

> I know error 33 came from PARC; I was there.

     I know you were, that's why I thought it was a compelling thing to
elaborate upon that point in this discussion with you.

> But you misunderstand it. It leaves you free to reinvent the world,
> but warns me about prematurely building on your results.

     I understand that quite well. I was pointing out other even worse
errors that can arise from attempts to avoid that situation.

> I do not insist on small incremental changes.

     I was not referring specifically to you, but to the Squeak
community on the whole.

> > > Still, I do want to try SPOON. But I got wary when I followed the
> > > installation directions and immediately crashed. Perhaps the
> > > project hasn't got as far as I expected.
> >
> > It is indeed alpha software currently, as marked. Still, I hadn't
> > thought that would keep people from considering possibilities.
>
> You first have to give me something to consider... :-)

     Well, I thought I had: a vision for how Squeak could work, and the
design ideas I am pursuing to get there.

> I appreciate your unpleasant situation - so many important ideas
> waiting to be realized and nobody willing to pay your living expenses.

     Trygve, forgive me, but I think you are venturing into extremely
inappropriate territory here. I had never brought my personal financial
situation into this discussion, and I would appreciate that you refrain
from doing so. Furthermore, what you have said is untrue. Since 2002 I
have made my living as an independent consultant. While I do announce
when I have available time, I have clients.

     If you would like to continue this conversation, may I suggest you
do so in private, and not on this mailing list? Thank you.

> So, as I have said before. SPOON is too promising to be stopped.


     thanks again,

-C

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Craig Latta
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