Posted by
Ryan Simmons-2 on
Jul 01, 2009; 9:40am
URL: https://forum.world.st/Usability-and-look-and-feel-was-Re-squeak-dev-The-future-of-Squeak-Pharo-was-Re-Pharo-project-ANN-Ph-tp81502p81537.html
I some ways I agree with Ramon, that Squeak should become more aimed
at developers.
I do however feel that education is very important I was especially
impressed by Dr. Geo II.
I feel that EToys, Dr. Geo etc should become applications that can be
loaded in very much like Seaside can be loaded into a variety of
smalltalks.
I will probably not be too popular for saying the following, but I
fail to see how EToys helps to teach children the use of smalltalk,
(and hence why I am confused that so many feel that it should be part
of Squeak) if it is there to help teach programming concepts to
children then I would also have to say that Scratch seems to be a much
better tool for doing this.
2009/7/1 Stéphane Rollandin <
[hidden email]>:
>> +10
>>
>> Seriously, stop talking about kids, who cares, I'll be retired by the
>> time they're useful. Programming languages are tools that are
>> primarily used by and useful for adults, they should be aimed at
>> adults.
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> Man, do you realize what you wrote here is incredibly out of place ? This is
> Squeak-dev here, Squeak has been involved with education and children since
> its beginnings, we have EToys, Scratch, OLPC. My own children use it. If you
> want a cultural revolution, ok, but first gather your troops, and let us
> count them.
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> There's definitely a need to have everybody explicit their view of what it
> Squeak, me repeat again... surprises could be ahead.
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> Stef
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