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Stéphane Ducasse

testing the linux vm of pharo-project

Hi bill

can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally
it should not since it should be preclosure).

Stef
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Schwab,Wilhelm K

Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project

Stef,

No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).

The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.

Bill

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Hi bill

can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).

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Stéphane Ducasse

Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project

I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page

On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> Stef,
>
> No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
>
> The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
>
> Hi bill
>
> can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
>
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laurent laffont

Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project

Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm

Laurent

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page

On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> Stef,
>
> No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
>
> The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:40 PM
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> Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
>
> Hi bill
>
> can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
>
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Mariano Martinez Peck

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2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>

Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm

Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly.

I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.

Laurent

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page

On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> Stef,
>
> No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
>
> The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
>
> Hi bill
>
> can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
>
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George Herolyants-3

Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:

>
>
> 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly
>> with 0.15.2f Pharo vm
>
> Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not
> compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly.
>
> I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.

No, no, please!!! I thought this vm (0.15.2f) contains FreeType plugin
(is that what you meant by TrueType plugin) and standard unix vm
doesn't. I may be wrong here but I use it on Ubuntu 9.10 and it looks
very well (though I tried it with an elder image 09.11.3, I think).

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Mariano Martinez Peck

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:36 PM, George Herolyants <[hidden email]> wrote:

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:

>
>
> 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly
>> with 0.15.2f Pharo vm
>
> Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not
> compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly.
>
> I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.

No, no, please!!! I thought this vm (0.15.2f) contains FreeType plugin
(is that what you meant by TrueType plugin) and standard unix vm
doesn't. I may be wrong here but I use it on Ubuntu 9.10 and it looks
very well (though I tried it with an elder image 09.11.3, I think).

I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3 has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType. Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ?
(that image has truetype) and let as know the results?

https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.zip

Thanks

Mariano

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2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3
> has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType.
Yes, it has by default, but I use TrueType.

> Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ?
> (that image has truetype) and let as know the results?
>
> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.zip

Ok. I'll try it.

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laurent laffont

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We have discussed it before:

http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467

http://n2.nabble.com/Dev09-12-1-does-not-look-nice-on-Linux-td4132813.html

Laurent

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2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:

> I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3
> has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType.

Yes, it has by default, but I use TrueType.

> Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ?
> (that image has truetype) and let as know the results?
>
> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.zip

Ok. I'll try it.

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So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project

Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.

Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.

Opinions?

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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laurent laffont

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Do you use composite / compiz / kwin effects ?

I've just seen that if I disable kwin effects, fonts are OK with exupery vm.

Laurent

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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laurent laffont

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How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?

Laurent

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.

Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.

Opinions?

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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I am also getting better results with 0.15.2f.

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2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:
> Do you use composite / compiz / kwin effects ?

No.

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laurent laffont

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Sorry sorry sorry , I was using Bitmap Deja Vu Sans instead of default font .....

So with a fresh image exupery works far better. Sorry again.

Laurent

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2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:

> Do you use composite / compiz / kwin effects ?

No.

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I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled.

In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ?

2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>

How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?

Laurent

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.

Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.

Opinions?

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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Some thoughts:

In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience.

For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean.

For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ).

Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / ....

Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page.

Cheers,

Laurent

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled.

In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ?

2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?

Laurent

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.

Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.

Opinions?

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
(which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and
squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.

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On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:52 05PM, laurent laffont wrote:

Some thoughts:

In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience.

For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean.

For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ).

Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / ....

John's Mac VM's major version number were bumped to 4 when closures where added, partly because it breaks some backwards-compatability.

See recent vmdev discussion about issues running 2.5-based Scratch images for some more details

According to the mentioned discussion, the unix major version might have been increased too, had the author picked up on it.

Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page.

Historical reasons.

The Exupery VM provided unix/windows builds with closure bytecodes in october 2008, while the official VM's lagged behind.

The windows version was updated not too far behind, but a unix release for closures wasn't made until august 09.

At the time, the exupery VM also included some other fixes not found in the official releases, I can't say I know the status of those at this moment though.

Cheers,

Henry

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Schwab,Wilhelm K

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Can we add an Alien plugin on the wish-list? I _think_ I've managed to install vmmaker, but it would be nice to have somebody who knows what they are doing beat me to it :)

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2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>

How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?

Laurent

2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.

Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.

Opinions?

2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]>

So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each
pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command
line I used to run pharo image with this vm.
As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm
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