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[vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Terry Raymond
Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

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Sattler, Thomas (IT)
This seems like an eminently sensible idea, since putting double quotes
around a group of lines will always necessitate having to remove
whatever double quotes happen to be in those lines to begin with.



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+1, or, if easier, an intelligent tool for nested comemnting/uncommenting...

>Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
>out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
>quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
>/* and */ and make them nestable.
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nestable comments, yes please.
How often have I deleted (rather small) comments just because I couldn't
comment out comments together with the code.

Thomas

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> Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
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> quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
> /* and */ and make them nestable.
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It adds complexity.  If you really comment out code frequently, why isn't the commented chunk in its own separate method in the first place?

It makes it difficult to find the comment boundaries because you can't double-click next to a single character (like a double-quote) and have the editor extend the selection to the matching character.

Chris

Thomas Brodt wrote: 
+ 1

nestable comments, yes please.
How often have I deleted (rather small) comments just because I couldn't 
comment out comments together with the code.

Thomas

Terry Raymond schrieb:
  
Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry
 
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> If you really comment out code frequently, why isn't the commented chunk in its own separate method in the first place?
Because it's not.  Don't force me to refactor when all I want is to comment out some damn code.
 
 
 
 
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- 1

It adds complexity.  If you really comment out code frequently, why isn't the commented chunk in its own separate method in the first place?

It makes it difficult to find the comment boundaries because you can't double-click next to a single character (like a double-quote) and have the editor extend the selection to the matching character.

Chris

Thomas Brodt wrote: 
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nestable comments, yes please.
How often have I deleted (rather small) comments just because I couldn't 
comment out comments together with the code.

Thomas

Terry Raymond schrieb:
  
Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry
 
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Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

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> Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
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> quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
> /* and */ and make them nestable.
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+1 with a suggestion...

Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax, could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the { }  characters to select the entire comment.

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Steven Kelly wrote: 
-1

Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

  
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Subject: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry

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Terry Raymond wrote:
> Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
> out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
> quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
> /* and */ and make them nestable.

For most cases, you can use [] to comment out code:

myMethod
        [self halt "This code has been commented out"].
        ^1

You have to proceed the compiler warning, but it works good enough for me.

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Why go for a syntax that's so esoteric? Also, we can make the tools
recognize /* */ and do the double click selection trick.

I'm for 'standard' comment syntax. // and /* */ are used in a *lot* of
programming languages.

Michael

David Buck wrote:

> +1 with a suggestion...
>
> Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax,
> could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing
> comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within
> comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the
> Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still
> provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the {
> }  characters to select the entire comment.
>
> David Buck
> Simberon Inc.
> www.simberon.com
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> Steven Kelly wrote:
>> -1
>>
>> Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
>> selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
>> comment quotes could be automatically doubled.
>>
>> /* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.
>>
>> Steve
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>>> Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
>>> out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
>>> quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
>>> /* and */ and make them nestable.
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Commenting out code works quite well for changes that you are unsure

about and may want to back out.

 

You may also want to comment out code, rather than remove it, as a

way of keeping a change history.

Terry

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- 1

It adds complexity.  If you really comment out code frequently, why isn't the commented chunk in its own separate method in the first place?

It makes it difficult to find the comment boundaries because you can't double-click next to a single character (like a double-quote) and have the editor extend the selection to the matching character.

Chris

Thomas Brodt wrote: 

+ 1
 
nestable comments, yes please.
How often have I deleted (rather small) comments just because I couldn't 
comment out comments together with the code.
 
Thomas
 
Terry Raymond schrieb:
  
Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.
 
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David Buck wrote:
+1 with a suggestion...

Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax, could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the { }  characters to select the entire comment.
Please don't -- braces are used in Gemstone (maybe other smalltalks?), and would cause us problems moving code back and forth.

David Buck
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Steven Kelly wrote: 
-1

Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

  
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Subject: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
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quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry

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Michael Lucas-Smith wrote: 
Why go for a syntax that's so esoteric? Also, we can make the tools 
recognize /* */ and do the double click selection trick.

I'm for 'standard' comment syntax. // and /* */ are used in a *lot* of 
programming languages.
Why add syntax?  Why not just use "..." -- but provide functions to comment or uncomment
things that contain comments??
Michael

David Buck wrote:
  
+1 with a suggestion...

Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax, 
could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing 
comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within 
comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the 
Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still 
provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the { 
}  characters to select the entire comment.

David Buck
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Steven Kelly wrote:
    
-1

Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

  
      
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Subject: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
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quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry

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> -1
>
> Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
> selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
> comment quotes could be automatically doubled.


+1, to Steven's idea. I was going to propose that that is the proper  
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Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
This would imply that one always has to select a block and then invoke a
"comment" command whereas with /* */ you have a second option of simply
typing those characters if you wish.

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> > Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment
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Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

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  "This is a comment with an embedded "" character"

   """This is a commented comment with an embedded """" character"""

   """""This is a commented commented comment with an embedded """""""" character"""""

Any questions? :-)

David Buck

Dennis Smith wrote:
Why add syntax?  Why not just use "..." -- but provide functions to comment or uncomment
things that contain comments?? 
David Buck wrote:
  
+1 with a suggestion...

Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax, 
could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing 
comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within 
comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the 
Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still 
provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the { 
}  characters to select the entire comment.

David Buck
Simberon Inc.
www.simberon.com

Steven Kelly wrote:
    
-1

Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

  
      
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Subject: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry

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Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Travis Griggs-3
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On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Boris Popov wrote:

> This would imply that one always has to select a block and then  
> invoke a
> "comment" command whereas with /* */ you have a second option of  
> simply
> typing those characters if you wish.

In case this point gets lost in my other longer post... In C land, /*  
is NOT a nestable comment pattern. Go test it yourself. So I'm curious  
how the original poster came up with this idea anyway. Is this  
something Java has extended or something?

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Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

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In a *lot* of programming languages, // considers the rest of the line as a comment.

In Smalltalk,
    a := b // 5

assigns into a the integer result of b divided by 5.  With this new change, it would just assign b.

I have no real objections to /*  */ for nested comments except that it makes the parser more difficult, but that's an SEP (Somebody Else's Problem).  By that same logic, however, you could ask why Smalltalk still uses [ ] for blocks instead of { } which everyone else seems to use and why we have := for assignment instead of = and use == for "equals" like everyone else.

But I digress.  If you want to spend the effort to make everything work with /*  */, I'd support the effort.  I just thought "{ }" would be easier to retrofit into the system.

David Buck
Simberon Inc.
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Michael Lucas-Smith wrote: 
Why go for a syntax that's so esoteric? Also, we can make the tools 
recognize /* */ and do the double click selection trick.

I'm for 'standard' comment syntax. // and /* */ are used in a *lot* of 
programming languages.

Michael

David Buck wrote:
  
+1 with a suggestion...

Just tossing out the idea - to avoid breaking the existing syntax, 
could we use "{ as the opening comment marker and }" as the closing 
comment marker?  I really hate double quoting double quotes within 
comments.  This syntax would be reasonably compatible with the 
Smalltalk syntax (it doesn't look like a binary operator) but still 
provides the nesting.  Additionally, you can double click inside the { 
}  characters to select the entire comment.

David Buck
Simberon Inc.
www.simberon.com

Steven Kelly wrote:
    
-1

Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
comment quotes could be automatically doubled.

/* is also now a legal binary selector, I think.

Steve

  
      
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Subject: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Maybe it is just me but I would like to be able to comment
out a group of lines without having to double quote enclosed
quotes. I think it would be nice to have something like
/* and */ and make them nestable.

Terry

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Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)

Terry Raymond
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I don't care what syntax is used. However, if a command
is used to comment and properly double quote then we also
need double clicking to highlight the entire comment and
not just up to the next double quote.

Terry
 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Travis Griggs
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:32 PM
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> Subject: Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)
>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Steven Kelly wrote:
>
> > -1
> >
> > Why not just have menu or keyboard shortcuts to comment/uncomment the
> > selection? When commenting a block that already contains comments, the
> > comment quotes could be automatically doubled.
>
>
> +1, to Steven's idea. I was going to propose that that is the proper
> solution, but he beat me to it :)
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Terry Raymond
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I guess part of the problem is how the comment is parsed.
Maybe that can be fixed instead.

" comment "

string := ' string with embedded quote " '.

Now put the preceeding statement in a comment. You cannot do it
without doubleing the embedded " .

Terry
 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Travis Griggs
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [vwnc] Lets have nestable comments (/* */)
>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Boris Popov wrote:
>
> > This would imply that one always has to select a block and then
> > invoke a
> > "comment" command whereas with /* */ you have a second option of
> > simply
> > typing those characters if you wish.
>
> In case this point gets lost in my other longer post... In C land, /*
> is NOT a nestable comment pattern. Go test it yourself. So I'm curious
> how the original poster came up with this idea anyway. Is this
> something Java has extended or something?
>
> --
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> [hidden email]
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> he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself." -
> Archibald MacLeish, poet and librarian
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