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what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

Bakki Kudva
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I was looking for tutorials, tracks or just about anything related to
Smalltalk, Seaside at Oopsla2006 in Portland on October 22-26. I was
disappointed to see that there isn't any Smalltalk related topic -
what's up with that?

-bakki

PS: These are the closest things I could find-

 Dynamic Languages Symposium
(Program/Venues)
...ussion of dynamic languages, their implementation and applications.
While mature dynamic languages including Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, and
Prolog

   T48: Totally Awesome Computing: Python as a General-Purpose
Programming Language
(Submission/Tutorials)
...nd their knowledge of the principles of programming languages,
since advanced language features (like novel, SmallTalk-like
applications of polymorphism) are so easy to teach in Python. Format:
The p...

---sad to see that only mention of Smalltalk is to make a point that
Python is great!
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Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

tblanchard
There will most certainly be Smalltalkers doing meets/BOFs/dinners, but perhaps not any official talks.

On Thursday, August 31, 2006, at 10:52AM, Bakki Kudva <[hidden email]> wrote:

>[Newbie Perspective]
>
>I was looking for tutorials, tracks or just about anything related to
>Smalltalk, Seaside at Oopsla2006 in Portland on October 22-26. I was
>disappointed to see that there isn't any Smalltalk related topic -
>what's up with that?
>
>-bakki
>
>PS: These are the closest things I could find-
>
> Dynamic Languages Symposium
>(Program/Venues)
>...ussion of dynamic languages, their implementation and applications.
>While mature dynamic languages including Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, and
>Prolog
>
>   T48: Totally Awesome Computing: Python as a General-Purpose
>Programming Language
>(Submission/Tutorials)
>...nd their knowledge of the principles of programming languages,
>since advanced language features (like novel, SmallTalk-like
>applications of polymorphism) are so easy to teach in Python. Format:
>The p...
>
>---sad to see that only mention of Smalltalk is to make a point that
>Python is great!
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Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

stéphane ducasse-2
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People believe that Smalltalk is old, slow.... so after a while this  
is boring to fight with them.
If you want to see a lot of Smalltalk, apply to the student volunteer  
program of ESUG next year
and you will get a crazy conference for free with Smalltalk all day  
long.

Stef

On 31 août 06, at 19:52, Bakki Kudva wrote:

> [Newbie Perspective]
>
> I was looking for tutorials, tracks or just about anything related to
> Smalltalk, Seaside at Oopsla2006 in Portland on October 22-26. I was
> disappointed to see that there isn't any Smalltalk related topic -
> what's up with that?
>
> -bakki
>
> PS: These are the closest things I could find-
>
> Dynamic Languages Symposium
> (Program/Venues)
> ...ussion of dynamic languages, their implementation and applications.
> While mature dynamic languages including Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, and
> Prolog
>
>   T48: Totally Awesome Computing: Python as a General-Purpose
> Programming Language
> (Submission/Tutorials)
> ...nd their knowledge of the principles of programming languages,
> since advanced language features (like novel, SmallTalk-like
> applications of polymorphism) are so easy to teach in Python. Format:
> The p...
>
> ---sad to see that only mention of Smalltalk is to make a point that
> Python is great!
> _______________________________________________
> Beginners mailing list
> [hidden email]
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Re: Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

Ralph Johnson
The main reason there aren't any Smalltalk related events at OOPSLA is
that people don't propose them.  Posters, workshops and demos accept
nearly all the proposals, so if you don't see any Smaltalk-related
posters, workshops and demos then it means there were none proposed.
OOPSLA accepts less than 20% of the papers that were submitted and
less than half the tutorials, so the fact that there aren't any of
these doesn't mean that none were proposed.  It is hard to get papers
accepted at OOPSLA, but Stephane had some Smalltalk papers accepted
there recently, so it is still possible.

Certainly Smalltalk no longer has a buzz, but there are enough old
Smalltalkers on the OOPSLA organizing committees that it is still
possible to find people who appreciate it.  And there are usually a
hundred or so Smalltalkers who show up for OOPSLA so they want to have
some things to make them happy.  I think the main reason there aren't
more Smalltalk-related events at OOPSLA is because Smalltalkers don't
propose them.

-Ralph
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Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

stéphane ducasse-2
true!
May be next year we should propose a Smalltalk tutorial.

Stef

On 2 sept. 06, at 14:02, Ralph Johnson wrote:

> The main reason there aren't any Smalltalk related events at OOPSLA is
> that people don't propose them.  Posters, workshops and demos accept
> nearly all the proposals, so if you don't see any Smaltalk-related
> posters, workshops and demos then it means there were none proposed.
> OOPSLA accepts less than 20% of the papers that were submitted and
> less than half the tutorials, so the fact that there aren't any of
> these doesn't mean that none were proposed.  It is hard to get papers
> accepted at OOPSLA, but Stephane had some Smalltalk papers accepted
> there recently, so it is still possible.
>
> Certainly Smalltalk no longer has a buzz, but there are enough old
> Smalltalkers on the OOPSLA organizing committees that it is still
> possible to find people who appreciate it.  And there are usually a
> hundred or so Smalltalkers who show up for OOPSLA so they want to have
> some things to make them happy.  I think the main reason there aren't
> more Smalltalk-related events at OOPSLA is because Smalltalkers don't
> propose them.
>
> -Ralph
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Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
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Hi Stef,

Where I can get information on the student volunteer program for next
year? What I need to do?

Cheers,

Offray

stéphane ducasse escribió:

> People believe that Smalltalk is old, slow.... so after a while this
> is boring to fight with them.
> If you want to see a lot of Smalltalk, apply to the student volunteer
> program of ESUG next year
> and you will get a crazy conference for free with Smalltalk all day long.
>
> Stef
>
> On 31 août 06, at 19:52, Bakki Kudva wrote:
>
>> [Newbie Perspective]
>>
>> I was looking for tutorials, tracks or just about anything related to
>> Smalltalk, Seaside at Oopsla2006 in Portland on October 22-26. I was
>> disappointed to see that there isn't any Smalltalk related topic -
>> what's up with that?
>>
>> -bakki
>>
>> PS: These are the closest things I could find-
>>
>> Dynamic Languages Symposium
>> (Program/Venues)
>> ...ussion of dynamic languages, their implementation and applications.
>> While mature dynamic languages including Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, and
>> Prolog
>>
>>   T48: Totally Awesome Computing: Python as a General-Purpose
>> Programming Language
>> (Submission/Tutorials)
>> ...nd their knowledge of the principles of programming languages,
>> since advanced language features (like novel, SmallTalk-like
>> applications of polymorphism) are so easy to teach in Python. Format:
>> The p...
>>
>> ---sad to see that only mention of Smalltalk is to make a point that
>> Python is great!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: what no Smalltalk at OOPSLA2006?

Mark Aufflick-6
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Not directly related, but Avi Bryant is an invited speaker at the
attached Dynamic Languages Symposeum titled "Data Refactoring for
Amateurs".

http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/dls2006/openconf.php

On 9/1/06, Bakki Kudva <[hidden email]> wrote:

> [Newbie Perspective]
>
> I was looking for tutorials, tracks or just about anything related to
> Smalltalk, Seaside at Oopsla2006 in Portland on October 22-26. I was
> disappointed to see that there isn't any Smalltalk related topic -
> what's up with that?
>
> -bakki
>
> PS: These are the closest things I could find-
>
>  Dynamic Languages Symposium
> (Program/Venues)
> ...ussion of dynamic languages, their implementation and applications.
> While mature dynamic languages including Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, and
> Prolog
>
>    T48: Totally Awesome Computing: Python as a General-Purpose
> Programming Language
> (Submission/Tutorials)
> ...nd their knowledge of the principles of programming languages,
> since advanced language features (like novel, SmallTalk-like
> applications of polymorphism) are so easy to teach in Python. Format:
> The p...
>
> ---sad to see that only mention of Smalltalk is to make a point that
> Python is great!
> _______________________________________________
> Beginners mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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