which files to add to a Windows Squeak to make it run on Mac? Linux?

Hello,

I have a usb stick with a Squeak windows installation.

Now I want to make this run on a mac and Linux. From my windows point
of view I would have to copy the Mac or Linux equivalent of squeak.exe.

While the Win VM download is half a MB the Mac VM download is 13 MB
bringing an image and loads of files in deeply nested folders.

Is there a way to copy one file (or whatever is the minimum set of
files)into my Win installation and create a link (or batch?) which
starts the Mac VM with my "3_6_basic_projektleitung.image"

Same for Linux, the VM download installs about 4 MB in multiple
folders.

I want to plug in the stick in any machine and the three topmost items
should be: 0Linux 0Mac and 0Windows of which I would choose the right
type of OS.


Thanks,

Herbert                          mailto:[hidden email]

El 8/2/07 7:01 AM, "Herbert König" <[hidden email]> escribió:
Make a folder with the different VM for each OS and with your wished
Squeak.nnnn.image , Squeak.nnnn.changes, the both SqueakV39.sources and
SqueakV3.sources (for new and old images).

I usual copy this to target computer.
With Mac , zero problem, with Linux still I don't have deep experience, but
should work

Edgar

Hello Edgar,

EJDC> Make a folder with the different VM for each OS and with your wished
EJDC> Squeak.nnnn.image , Squeak.nnnn.changes, the both SqueakV39.sources and
EJDC> SqueakV3.sources (for new and old images).

Problem is: which of the many files are the VM for mac and Linux?

The image and the changes must be the same for all 3 OS because I just
use it as a note taker. Projects in projects full of workspaces,
textMorphs and other morphs. No programming.

So one folder, where I have sources, image, changes and the three
startup files for the three OS's. The win VM can reside in that same
folder because it is one exe, one dll and one ini the last one is
created on startup if it is missing.

Ideally the other two VM's would also be a few files copied into that
same folder.

My problem is, having never seen a mac, I don't know which files to
copy. I don't know how to identify a Mac executable and what
additional files are necessary. I don't know if a Linux executable
needs to be in /usr/bin/.... and how to identify a Linux executable.

And then how to create a link which starts the VM with that particular
image.

It's funny how stupid I feel as soon as I'm leaving my known OS.

Thanks,

Herbert

El 8/2/07 9:19 AM, "Herbert König" <[hidden email]> escribió:


No. I only recently add Windows and Umbuntu here, so many faced the
different OS problem.
For Mac Os, now you could choose of very different .
The John VM for PPC and Intel machines could be found in his place.
For Intel my last is  3.8.17b5, maybe he have newer.
Also you could use the Unix VM machines , I have the PPC ones.
You could use in any folder on Mac, but the best place is Applications
folder, also the .sources files could be placed into Applications folder.
I do the automatic process for intall in Umbuntu.
Now I waiting the repair of my clon box and can't be more useful to you, I
hope could be fixed this week end.
If nobody help more, I very glad to be in IRC chat to assist you.

Edgar

On Aug 2, 2007, at 3:01 , Herbert König wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a usb stick with a Squeak windows installation.
>
> Now I want to make this run on a mac and Linux. From my windows point
> of view I would have to copy the Mac or Linux equivalent of  
> squeak.exe.

You could take a look at the directory layout in Sophie (originally  
developed for Plopp). It uses a single directory structure that works  
on Mac, Linux, and Windows.

- Bert -

On Thursday 02 August 2007 3:31 pm, Herbert König wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a usb stick with a Squeak windows installation.
>
> Now I want to make this run on a mac and Linux. From my windows point
> of view I would have to copy the Mac or Linux equivalent of squeak.exe.
Which Linux desktop do you use? I am testing a launcher script for Linux. It
works on KDE now. Often, Linux distros do not allow programs to be launched
from removable devices for security reasons, so some special magic :-) is
required.

Subbu

Ok, the current faster, better, bug fixed macintosh carbon vm is

"Squeak 3.8.18beta1U.app"

The 3.8.18 series contains the fixes from David T Lewis for clean  
32bit addressing.

Macintosh applications are known as a bundle, which is a directory  
that contains subdirectories which contain all the files,
executables,help files, resources etc to execute the application.    
At the top level os-x  uses dot-naming conventions to indicate what  
it is, then
the finder hides the fact it's a folder.  Larger Apple applications  
like iDVD might be 1GB in size since the bundle folder contains help  
files, examples, sound tracks, clips etc.

The key thing is that one can copy this single file looking thing  
between directories/computers and still have a workable application,  
versus having to run some
installer/deinstaller to move all the pieces about.

So
Squeak 3.8.18beta1U.app
which appears as a folder in unix or on windows has the convention  
that *.app is the application bundle.
The Squeak application bundle contains the executable, and supporting  
Squeak plugins, plus it can optionally contain the image/changes/
source file

FT2Plugin.bundle
which appears as a folder in unix or on windows has the convention  
that *.bundle is a bundle containing a static/shared library, we use  
these for plugins.


As Bert mentioned, for Sophie we are using the same model that Impara  
did for Plopp we actually stick the windows and linux VM executables  
and support files/dlls/scripts in the
Sophie.app directory since they are ignored by the macintosh.  Thus  
on the macintosh the user just sees the Sophie.app which double  
clicks. Then on windows or linux
he sees the Sophie.app folder which contains a bunch of things, one  
being the Sophie.exe for windows, and an Sophie.sh for Linux.  All  
the VM's then hunt in the macintosh resource application sub folder  
for the images/changes/source to use.


On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:51 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:

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Hello Subbu,

>> Now I want to make this run on a mac and Linux. From my windows point
>> of view I would have to copy the Mac or Linux equivalent of squeak.exe.
s> Which Linux desktop do you use? I am testing a launcher script for Linux. It
s> works on KDE now. Often, Linux distros do not allow programs to be launched
s>from removable devices for security reasons, so some special magic :-) is
s> required.

The one I have is a Knoppix with KDE an I could only use this with
testing.

Actually 95% of the computers I come by run windows. It just would be
nice to have the same convenience of not having to install any
software on other peoples on other OS'es too.


Thanks,

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

Hello Bert,

BF> You could take a look at the directory layout in Sophie (originally
BF> developed for Plopp). It uses a single directory structure that works
BF> on Mac, Linux, and Windows.

seems easiest to take my commercial copy of Plopp to watch this in
action.


Thanks

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

Hello John,

JMM> Macintosh applications are known as a bundle, which is a directory
JMM> that contains subdirectories which contain all the files,
....

thank you for that detailed description, that was what I was looking
for.

As a conclusion I won't need a link for the Mac version as OSX will
present the "bundle" as a clickable app. Then provide a link for
Windows and a shell script for Linux parallel to that Mac "folder"
which dive into the subfolder containing the image.


Thanks

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Michael van der Gulik wrote:

> If you aren't doing any programming, then you don't need  
> squeak.changes or SqueakV39.sources and you can save a few megs.  
> You'll get warnings when you start up, but they shouldn't matter.
>
> Michael.

You can set image preferences to turn off the warning about  missing  
source and changes file.


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On Friday 03 August 2007 5:48 am, Michael van der Gulik wrote:
> subbukk is correct about some versions of linux not allowing executables to
> be run from a removable device. To get around this, either copy the files
> to the hard disk, or mount the USB disk manually without using the "noexec"
> flag (see "man mount" for more info here - e.g. "mount /dev/sda1
> /mnt/usbdisk" - the usb disk is usually emulated as a SCSI device (!)).
The exact device path will change, so it is safer to mount a USB disk labeled
MYUSB with:

  pmount -Ae $(blkid -o device -t LABEL=MYUSB) squeak

and open the location /media/squeak or /mnt/squeak. The "-e" option turns on
execute permissions. The loginid should be a member of plugdev group to use
pmount.

Subbu

Hello Michael,


MvdG> For Linux, you'll want  "squeak" (which is the executable
MvdG> binary containing the VM), "vm-display-X11" and "vm-sound-null"

thanks for the detailed information.

MvdG> plug-ins at the least. If you want to use sound, also include
MvdG> "vm-sound-OSS". If you want to run headless, also include
MvdG> "vm-display-null".

As it's a 1G stick size is not a matter. So I'll include everything.

MvdG> Also note that USB disks in my experience are quite slow.

I use a 3.6 full image. It has everything and is smaller than a 3.9.
On a contemporary computer startup is about 5 seconds first start.

12 seconds on this 600MHZ P3 with USB 1.1. Small price to pay for
"having it all around me" without carrying my laptop.

Regarding your other mail, I prefer being able to whip up some code if
the necessity arises. BTW starting with a black screen and some warning
is not the best after you just convinced someone that you won't change
anything on his precious computer :-)

Cheers,

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]