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Are we losing method versions?

Sean P. DeNigris
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For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...

In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris 8/5/2010 15:51'
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Guillermo Polito
Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...

In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
8/5/2010 15:51'

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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Stéphane Ducasse
yes

Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on the ring meta model



> Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>
> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>


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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Dale Henrichs
Steph,

I would love to help you with ... I'm overloaded like everyone else, but would squeeze out time for this if it makes sense ...

Dale

----- Original Message -----
| From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
| To: [hidden email]
| Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:53:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Are we losing method versions?
|
| yes
|
| Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on
| the ring meta model
|
|
|
| > Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That
| > should explain that.
| >
| > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris
| > <[hidden email]> wrote:
| > For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
| >
| > In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009
| > 01:10'
| > In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0:
| > "#('SeanDeNigris
| > 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
| > In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains:
| > 'SeanDeNigris
| > 8/5/2010 15:51'
| >
| > --
| > View this message in context:
| > http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
| > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
| >
| >
|
|
|

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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Stéphane Ducasse

On May 16, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:

> Steph,
>
> I would love to help you with ... I'm overloaded like everyone else, but would squeeze out time for this if it makes sense …

Thanks dale.
Hernan and one of his students started to work on a solution (not ring based) and we synced now in Sept we will receive him for three months
and I hope to get some momentum.

I will ask veronica and andy to let us know about their first experience.


>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
> | To: [hidden email]
> | Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:53:36 AM
> | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Are we losing method versions?
> |
> | yes
> |
> | Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on
> | the ring meta model
> |
> |
> |
> | > Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That
> | > should explain that.
> | >
> | > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris
> | > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> | > For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
> | >
> | > In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009
> | > 01:10'
> | > In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0:
> | > "#('SeanDeNigris
> | > 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
> | > In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains:
> | > 'SeanDeNigris
> | > 8/5/2010 15:51'
> | >
> | > --
> | > View this message in context:
> | > http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
> | > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
>


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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Chris Muller-3
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Magma 1.3 runs on Pharo 1.3.  Did anyone ever get a chance try Magma's
new capability in this area?

  http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603

Of course you get all versions, but I myself have been really enjoying
"Browse mc origin" which it adds to the method menu -- it opens the
standard MCVersionInfo box to see the version notes for when that
version of the method was originally created.




On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> yes
>
> Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on the ring meta model
>
>
>
>> Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>>
>> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
>> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
>> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
>> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
>> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Marcus Denker-4
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On May 16, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>
> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>
Yes, we did a condense sources in 1.4. The .sources file reached 40MB.
(condensed 12).

        Marcus



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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Stéphane Ducasse
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Cool I should try.
Should I install Magma locally?
Can I automatically publish in magma local and squeak source/ss3/...

On May 17, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Chris Muller wrote:

> Magma 1.3 runs on Pharo 1.3.  Did anyone ever get a chance try Magma's
> new capability in this area?
>
>  http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603
>
> Of course you get all versions, but I myself have been really enjoying
> "Browse mc origin" which it adds to the method menu -- it opens the
> standard MCVersionInfo box to see the version notes for when that
> version of the method was originally created.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> yes
>>
>> Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on the ring meta model
>>
>>
>>
>>> Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>>>
>>> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
>>> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
>>> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
>>> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
>>> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Chris Muller-4
Those MC upgrades which I think you ported over are needed.

Using a remote connection is recommended, because a local connection
would lock files and wouldn't be able to access multiple images
simultaneously.

> Can I automatically publish in magma local and squeak source/ss3/...

It is just a MC repository -- it _could_ be used as a back-end for
SqueakSource, but I don't believe that has been done.



On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Stéphane Ducasse
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Cool I should try.
> Should I install Magma locally?
> Can I automatically publish in magma local and squeak source/ss3/...
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
>
>> Magma 1.3 runs on Pharo 1.3.  Did anyone ever get a chance try Magma's
>> new capability in this area?
>>
>>  http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603
>>
>> Of course you get all versions, but I myself have been really enjoying
>> "Browse mc origin" which it adds to the method menu -- it opens the
>> standard MCVersionInfo box to see the version notes for when that
>> version of the method was originally created.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> yes
>>>
>>> Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on the ring meta model
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>>>>
>>>> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
>>>> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
>>>> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
>>>> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
>>>> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Re: Are we losing method versions?

Stéphane Ducasse

On May 17, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Chris Muller wrote:

> Those MC upgrades which I think you ported over are needed.

Not yet. I have to get the time to be really concentrated.

>
> Using a remote connection is recommended, because a local connection
> would lock files and wouldn't be able to access multiple images
> simultaneously.
>
>> Can I automatically publish in magma local and squeak source/ss3/...
>
> It is just a MC repository -- it _could_ be used as a back-end for
> SqueakSource, but I don't believe that has been done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Cool I should try.
>> Should I install Magma locally?
>> Can I automatically publish in magma local and squeak source/ss3/...
>>
>> On May 17, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
>>
>>> Magma 1.3 runs on Pharo 1.3.  Did anyone ever get a chance try Magma's
>>> new capability in this area?
>>>
>>>  http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603
>>>
>>> Of course you get all versions, but I myself have been really enjoying
>>> "Browse mc origin" which it adds to the method menu -- it opens the
>>> standard MCVersionInfo box to see the version notes for when that
>>> version of the method was originally created.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>> Now we would love to have a database storing all the methods based on the ring meta model
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't the .changes somehow shrinked before every release?  That should explain that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> For DateAndTime class>>#readFrom: ...
>>>>>
>>>>> In Pharo 1.0, only one version: 'PeterHugossonMiller 9/3/2009 01:10'
>>>>> In Pharo 1.2.2, two versions, minus the one from 1.0: "#('SeanDeNigris
>>>>> 8/5/2010 15:51' 'StephaneDucasse 4/24/2010 12:46')"
>>>>> In Pharo 2.0, only the last version from 1.2.2 remains: 'SeanDeNigris
>>>>> 8/5/2010 15:51'
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Are-we-losing-method-versions-tp4630520.html
>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>