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laura

Feb 03, 2015; 4:44pm

Image growing size

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Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep an instance variable in some classes i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,

Laura

philippeback

Feb 03, 2015; 5:26pm

Re: Image growing size

3147 posts

Try to open monticello and select any repo, right click and clear the package cache.

If you are using monticello that is.

Also close all windows, open a workspace and do the

10 timesRepeat: [ Smalltalk garbageCollect].

HTH
Phil

Le 3 févr. 2015 17:49, "Laura Risani" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep an instance variable in some classes i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,
Laura

Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list

Feb 04, 2015; 4:06am

Re: Image growing size

914 posts

Do any of your (class/pool variable) singleton instances store data? add a #clearAll or #reset (mySingletonVar := nil) to the class side -- or whatever fits your app -- and do that before that #garbageCollect block. [In fact, put that in some XXXAdmin class]

Good Luck,

Cam

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Try to open monticello and select any repo, right click and clear the package cache.

If you are using monticello that is.

Also close all windows, open a workspace and do the

10 timesRepeat: [ Smalltalk garbageCollect].

HTH
Phil

Le 3 févr. 2015 17:49, "Laura Risani" <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep an instance variable in some classes i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,
Laura

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Clément Béra

Feb 04, 2015; 7:37am

Re: Image growing size

1053 posts

In reply to this post by philippeback

Hello,

There could be many reasons why you would have such a big image.

The most common reason is the monticello metadata, as Phil said.

Another reason could be because some caches and objects that are flushed on snapshot, so if you looked at the image size at runtime and not the file size (for example, the Display object, which is huge, is not in the snapshot, same thing for the AST cache) it is bigger.

Another reason is that you may have kept persistent some data that refers to a huge graph of objects / a lot of objects. In the past, it happened to me that I kept errors in a collection to be able to debug them after the program execution (debugging directly the error would crash the image because it was errors in critical processes), but those errors were referencing a huge graph of nodes and after several thousands errors the image was overflowing its 1Gb limit.

So what do you keep persistent in your application ? Does it refer to a lot of objects without you knowing it ?

2015-02-03 18:31 GMT+01:00 [hidden email] <[hidden email]>:

Try to open monticello and select any repo, right click and clear the package cache.

If you are using monticello that is.

Also close all windows, open a workspace and do the

10 timesRepeat: [ Smalltalk garbageCollect].

HTH
Phil

Le 3 févr. 2015 17:49, "Laura Risani" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep an instance variable in some classes i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,
Laura

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Ben Coman

Feb 04, 2015; 9:49am

Re: Image growing size

5447 posts

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Laura Risani <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep

an instance variable in some classes

Do you mean class-instance-variable?

http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/PBE1/PBE1ch6.html

i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,
Laura

HilaireFernandes

Feb 04, 2015; 2:06pm

Re: Image growing size

1396 posts

In reply to this post by laura

Le 03/02/2015 17:49, Laura Risani a écrit :
> The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size
> is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i
> done something wrong?
>
You may want to try World menu>System>Do image clean up

Hilaire

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laura

Feb 06, 2015; 10:24pm

Re: Image growing size

112 posts

I've tried, at some degree, all of your suggestions, but i failed to reduce the image size significantly. I'll keep trying, meantime i've started with a fresh image.

Thank you for your answers.

Best,

Laura

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Hilaire <[hidden email]> wrote:

Le 03/02/2015 17:49, Laura Risani a écrit :
> The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size
> is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i
> done something wrong?
>
You may want to try World menu>System>Do image clean up

Hilaire

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HilaireFernandes

Feb 07, 2015; 8:31am

Re: Image growing size

1396 posts

Personally I never got a 200MB image size, you have very likely
persisted large collection of objects of your own in your image.

Le 06/02/2015 23:29, Laura Risani a écrit :

> I've tried, at some degree, all of your suggestions, but i failed to
> reduce the image size significantly. I'll keep trying, meantime i've
> started with a fresh image.
>
> Thank you for your answers.
> Best,
> Laura
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Hilaire
> <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Le 03/02/2015 17:49, Laura Risani a écrit :
> > The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size
> > is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i
> > done something wrong?
> >
> You may want to try World menu>System>Do image clean up
>
> Hilaire
>
> --
> Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu
> iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu
>
>
>
>

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Stephan Eggermont-3

Feb 07, 2015; 8:49am

Re: Image growing size

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In reply to this post by laura

You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something
interesting.

(Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]

It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.

Stephan

Thierry Goubier

Feb 07, 2015; 9:14am

Re: Image growing size

1618 posts

Hi,

a fairly long report on the image and memory hogs is :

SmalltalkImage current reportCPUandRAM

Writes files in the image folder containing all the information. Takes a while to run.

Thierry

2015-02-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]>:

You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something interesting.

(Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]

It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.

Stephan

Trygve

Feb 07, 2015; 9:39am

Re: Image growing size

248 posts

I had this trouble with Squeak. It transpired that Squeak has a recycle bin! I changed a preference and all my junk objects disappeared.

On 07.02.2015 10:19, Thierry Goubier wrote:

Hi,

a fairly long report on the image and memory hogs is :

SmalltalkImage current reportCPUandRAM

Writes files in the image folder containing all the information. Takes a while to run.

Thierry

2015-02-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]>:

You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something interesting.

(Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]

It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.

Stephan

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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Feb 07, 2015; 10:27am

Re: Image growing size

5697 posts

In reply to this post by Thierry Goubier

> On 07 Feb 2015, at 10:19, Thierry Goubier <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> a fairly long report on the image and memory hogs is :
>
> SmalltalkImage current reportCPUandRAM

Cool. I didn't know that one. Thanks.

> Writes files in the image folder containing all the information. Takes a while to run.
>
> Thierry
>
> 2015-02-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]>:
> You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something interesting.
>
> (Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
> aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
> sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]
>
> It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.
>
> Stephan
>
>
>

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laura

Feb 07, 2015; 4:38pm

Re: Image growing size

112 posts

Problemution (problem+solution) found!

I've tried

clearing package cache, image cleanup -> size decreased a little.

unloading all my packages -> size unchanged.

Yet i haven't thought as my doing about TilingWindowManager i've installed! It has an option for snapshooting worlds, it's possible i've been triggering it involuntarily with some shortcut i wasn't aware of, anyway if this was the case i get no visual notification when snapshooting (like the one you get when saving the image).

disabled TilingWindowManager -> size decreased about 200 MB, down to 20 MB.

Also the discussion brought up very interesting msg collaborations snippets and system features for future reference!

Best,

Laura

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 07 Feb 2015, at 10:19, Thierry Goubier <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> a fairly long report on the image and memory hogs is :
>
> SmalltalkImage current reportCPUandRAM

Cool. I didn't know that one. Thanks.

> Writes files in the image folder containing all the information. Takes a while to run.
>
> Thierry
>
> 2015-02-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]>:
> You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something interesting.
>
> (Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
> aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
> sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]
>
> It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.
>
> Stephan
>
>
>

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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Feb 07, 2015; 5:45pm

Re: Image growing size

5697 posts

> On 07 Feb 2015, at 17:43, Laura Risani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Problemution (problem+solution) found!
>
> I've tried
> clearing package cache, image cleanup -> size decreased a little.
> unloading all my packages -> size unchanged.
>
> Yet i haven't thought as my doing about TilingWindowManager i've installed! It has an option for snapshooting worlds, it's possible i've been triggering it involuntarily with some shortcut i wasn't aware of, anyway if this was the case i get no visual notification when snapshooting (like the one you get when saving the image).
>
> disabled TilingWindowManager -> size decreased about 200 MB, down to 20 MB.

That sounds like an important discovery, there were memory complaints before, ...

> Also the discussion brought up very interesting msg collaborations snippets and system features for future reference!
>
> Best,
> Laura
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On 07 Feb 2015, at 10:19, Thierry Goubier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > a fairly long report on the image and memory hogs is :
> >
> > SmalltalkImage current reportCPUandRAM
>
> Cool. I didn't know that one. Thanks.
>
> > Writes files in the image folder containing all the information. Takes a while to run.
> >
> > Thierry
> >
> > 2015-02-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]>:
> > You might want to inspect this to see if this gets you something interesting.
> >
> > (Object allSubclasses collect: [ :aClass |
> > aClass -> aClass allInstances size])
> > sort: [ :a :b | a value > b value ]
> >
> > It takes some time to run, especially in a larger image.
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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philippeback

May 13, 2015; 4:48am

Re: Image growing size

3147 posts

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I am using TWM and yes it gobbles memory.

Disable/GC/Enable is indeed aomething do every once in a while.

No need for snapshots for this to occur.

A couple of Nautilus windows do the same.

Youcan close them all in TWM and still have them eat memory.

Phil

Le 13 mai 2015 01:50, "Cameron Sanders via Pharo-users" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:11:12 -0500
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Do any of your (class/pool variable) singleton instances store data? add a #clearAll or #reset (mySingletonVar := nil) to the class side -- or whatever fits your app -- and do that before that #garbageCollect block. [In fact, put that in some XXXAdmin class]

Good Luck,
Cam

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Try to open monticello and select any repo, right click and clear the package cache.

If you are using monticello that is.

Also close all windows, open a workspace and do the

10 timesRepeat: [ Smalltalk garbageCollect].

HTH
Phil

Le 3 févr. 2015 17:49, "Laura Risani" <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi all,

The official image i've downloaded weighted about 40 MB. Now its size is about 200 MB. What is the explanation? Is this normal or have i done something wrong?

I haven't been using globals, just downloaded and defined some packages. The only over persistent thing i've done is to keep an instance variable in some classes i wanted to have a unique instance.

Best,
Laura

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Sean P. DeNigris

May 13, 2015; 11:51am

Re: Image growing size

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In reply to this post by laura

laura wrote

Also the discussion brought up very interesting msg collaborations snippets
and system features for future reference!

I compiled them at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/wiki/Memory-Hogs

Cheers,
Sean

laura

May 13, 2015; 2:11pm

Re: Image growing size

112 posts

Nice!

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

laura wrote
> Also the discussion brought up very interesting msg collaborations
> snippets
> and system features for future reference!

I compiled them at
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/wiki/Memory-Hogs

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Peter Uhnak

May 13, 2015; 4:13pm

Re: Image growing size

2019 posts

As I have discovered recently I quite regularly have large images (500+ MB); the reason seems to be combination of memory leaks, Roassal (maybe Athens), GUI, and a LOT of saving while having all those things opened. But Image cleanup tends to shrink it back to tens of megabytes.

Personally I don't care about the size but saving the image progressively slows done as it gets bigger.

Peter

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Laura Risani <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice!

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
laura wrote
> Also the discussion brought up very interesting msg collaborations
> snippets
> and system features for future reference!

I compiled them at
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/wiki/Memory-Hogs

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