A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:35, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]>:
> I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a design.
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> Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about when I saw the movie Arrival :)
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> Couldn't resist myself...
> <arrival-pharo-logo.png>
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> See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :)
> <arrival-pharo.png>

> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo &lt;
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>>> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous.
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>> Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO:
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>> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png
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>> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png
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>> Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing.
>> Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with
>> many different implementations both commercial and open source.
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>> Sven
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>> icon-512x512.png (127K)
>> &lt;http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/0/icon-512x512.png&gt;
>> icon-lighthouse-512x512.png (47K)
>> &lt;http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/1/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png&gt;
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> A decade+ ago I created the one attached, and I've seen used in some
> Smalltalk related sites. I still like it but it can be done better.
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> I don't like the balloon, it's an indirect reference to the Byte cover
> which hasn't much to do with Smalltalk directly; as Pascal triangles
> didn't have much to do with Pascal [1] the programming language.
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> I think we can play a little more with the brackets which are
> something kind of unique to Smalltalk syntax.
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> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous.
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> Regards,
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> [1] A prevoius cover of Byte Magazine shown Pascal triangles in a
> choppy sea, an you could see what later would be the Smalltalk island,
> isolated in an "ivory tower" way of looking at the world, and escaping
> from the sea problem by avoiding it completely, hence the balloon.
> http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/157035900745/pascals-triangle-a-1978-byte-cover-by-robert
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> Esteban A. Maringolo
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> 2017-05-02 9:06 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <[hidden email]>:
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>> 2017-05-02 13:19 GMT+02:00 horrido <[hidden email]>:
>>> Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this
>>> logo
>>> in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept
>>> rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus
>>> Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all
>>> the
>>> other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any
>>> more
>>> "official?"
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>> Interesting angle for the problem (didn't think of that one).
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>> My analysis as I would review. The common agreed logo for smalltalk is a
>> rendering of the Byte cover, this makes it the 'official' logo. Your's
>> hasn't reached the level of agreement / support necessary to reach that
>> level. And Wikipedia isn't the place where this change is to be decided:
>> wikipedia will follow the will of the overall community.
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>> Other logos are either endorsed by the community  or used by the master site
>> for the language: for example, the Caml logo, the Clojure logo, both appeara
>> on the 'official' website for the language. For Caml, many alternatives
>> logos exist, but none of the alternatives appear on the wikipedia page.
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>> Now, changing a logo requires overcoming some friction(*)... writing around
>> Smalltalk and allways tagging with it could be a way to make it popular and
>> displace the old one. Your target would be reached once Wikipedia accept
>> yours, and that may require ESUG to decide to switch, and so on.
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>> Regards,
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>> Thierry
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>>> Thierry Goubier wrote
>>>> Hi Richard,
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>>>> 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido &lt;
>>>> horrido.hobbies@
>>>> &gt;:
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>>>>> I have  A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk
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>>>>> &lt;https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02
>>>> &gt; >
>>>> I like it.
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>>>>> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle.
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>>>> If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a
>>>> logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes
>>>> Smalltalk
>>>> has have left space for creativity and freedom.
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>>>> If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely
>>>> used,
>>>> then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old
>>>> one.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Thierry
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