Google Summer of Code 2009

> I'm afraid Stef misunderstood.  I never volunteered to be the
> administrator, I never asked that ESUG take a leading role, in fact I
> questioned this.  At one point I supported Klaus volunteering to be  
> the
> administrator and said I would be willing to be his backup.  He  
> declined
> and that was the end of the discussion.  Like many of us, I just don't
> have the time this year.
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:34 +0100, stephane ducasse wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I thought that ken and klaus were doing that already.
>> May be giovanni was not aware of that. May be you should sync with  
>> them.
>> Thanks for your help. Klaus and ken asked esug to get an esug
>> representative
>> so I accepted.
>>
>> Stef
>

> Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
>>> My experience with the The Squeak Project
>>> GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk  
>>> community
>>> has benefited a lot from his efforts.
>> Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone  
>> took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a  
>> benefit for the community.
>
> As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only  
> one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most  
> definitely of great value to its community.
>
> Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is  
> probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the  
> students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their  
> mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is  
> probably still available somewhere.
>
> BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the  
> position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik-
> Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire  
> process and short of actually running the process that is as much  
> qualification as anyone can ask for.
>
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas
>
>

> I found the project list again:
>
> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html
>
> * Safarà: an Extensible Code Editor for Squeak
>  by Luigi Panzeri, mentored by Lukas Renggli
>
> * Squeak IRC bot framework
>  by Francois Stephany, mentored by Kenneth Lee Causey
> * Squeak GTK Support
>  by Gwenaël Casaccio, mentored by Stéphane Ducasse
> * freeCAD: 3D CAD with Motion Simulation Port to Croquet
>  by Phua Khai Fong, mentored by Aik-Siong Koh
> * OpenNARS port to Squeak using Seaside
>  by Cédrick Béler, mentored by Klaus D. Witzel
>
> Can I encourage every mentor to send a short status report on the  
> results of their project?

>
>
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas
>
> Andreas Raab wrote:
>> Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
>>>> My experience with the The Squeak Project
>>>> GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk  
>>>> community
>>>> has benefited a lot from his efforts.
>>>
>>> Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone  
>>> took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_  
>>> a benefit for the community.
>> As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the  
>> only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most  
>> definitely of great value to its community.
>> Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is  
>> probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the  
>> students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their  
>> mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors  
>> is probably still available somewhere.
>> BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the  
>> position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik-
>> Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire  
>> process and short of actually running the process that is as much  
>> qualification as anyone can ask for.
>> Cheers,
>>  - Andreas
>
>
>

> Hi guys,
>
> would it be possible for a member of ESUG board to take this role?
>
> My motivation for this is rather trustworthness and professionalism,  
> you know what I mean.
>
> Thank you in advance (!)
>
> Cheers,
> Klaus
>
> P.S. why would Giovanni hand over privately without involving  
> democratic/community processes?
>
> ---- Forwarded Usenet-message ----
> From: "Giovanni Corriga" <[hidden email]>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general
> Subject: Wanted: Google Summer of Code 2009 admin
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:28:29 +0100
> URL: news://<[hidden email]>
>
> Hi all,
>
> due to a higher workload, this year I won't be able to act as an admin
> on behalf of Squeak in the Google Summer of Code program.
>
> Is there anyone interested in taking over?
>
> Responsibilities of the admin include:
> - submitting the application for the mentoring organization
> - coordinating the mentors
> - managing the student applications
> - keeping track of the mentors and students during the various  
> phases of
> the program
> - keeping in touch with the program admins at Google
>
> If anyone is interested, please contact me in private.
>
>         Giovanni

>
> Hi Klaus--
>
>       Aik-Siong wrote:
>
>  > Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me
>  > to be the administrator for GSOC 2009.
>
>       You responded:
>
>  > I assume you mean by that and by what you write below: you two decided
>  > you take over.
>  >
>  > Why would the two of you do so in private, behind the back of the
>  > community? Also, we have a Leadership/board whose main purpose is to
>  > get involved in such cases. [OT*0.5] where is Leadership when it is
>  > needed?
>
>       Giovanni asked for volunteers in public, asking them to respond  
> privately[1]. Aik-Siong responded to Giovanni privately. Giovanni,  
> during the 2009-02-19 leadership team meeting, suggested that Aik-Siong  
> be the next GSOC administrator. We approved. I missed that point in the  
> notes for that meeting. Please accept my apologies.

> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 18:53 -0500, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0800, askoh wrote:
>>> 2) GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
>>
>> Since nobody else is volunteering, I'll volunteer for that. I
>> was a co-mentor last year, and managed the irc infrastructure
>> for the project.
>
> I support Matthew in this and although I don't feel I have the time to
> be much more than a backup mentor at most this year, I am willing to
> backup Matthew and provide any guidance I can from my experience as a
> backup administrator last year.
>
> Ken
>