[ANN] new Seaside homepage

>>
>> This is your website on Ruby On Rails:
>>
>> http://www.projo.com/summer/slideshow/includes/sandcastle.jpg
>>
>> This is your website on Seaside:
>>
>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/cast
> le-in-the-sand.jpg
>>
>
> I'd suggest that we don't need to bash Rails to sell Seaside, especially
> since lots of our potential new users would be coming from Rails thinking
> it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
>
> Let Seaside stand on its own merits.  More the approach of  "if you liked
> Rails, you're gonna love this..."

> >>
> >> This is your website on Ruby On Rails:
> >>
> >> http://www.projo.com/summer/slideshow/includes/sandcastle.jpg
> >>
> >> This is your website on Seaside:
> >>
> >> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/cast
> > le-in-the-sand.jpg
> >>
> >
> > I'd suggest that we don't need to bash Rails to sell Seaside,
> > especially since lots of our potential new users would be
> coming from
> > Rails thinking it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
> >
> > Let Seaside stand on its own merits.  More the approach of  "if you
> > liked Rails, you're gonna love this..."
>
> I wasn't suggesting we actually bash Ruby.
>
> Only that doing so is fun.
>
> Heh.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Eng
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:17 AM
>> To: Seaside - general discussion
>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
>>
>> That's why I favour "the renegade web framework". Sounds less
>> negative.
>>
>> When devising a slogan, it is very important to pay attention
>> to the emotions (subtle or otherwise) that it evokes.
>> "Visceral impact" is everything!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>
> Less negative to whom?  To a manager deciding whether to allow it or not,
> I'd think that slogan does more harm than good.
>
> When I first started using Seaside, there was a "what the fuck" reaction.
>
> Then came pain, as I realized all the crap I used to do felt hard.
>
> Then came the "Aha!", as I realized I didn't need to do all that crap
> anymore.
>
> Then came the "Ahhhhhhhhhh......" as I settled down and realized what a
> pleasure it write applications with real components, that were actually
> composeable, in a framework that unlike all the rest, was truly object
> oriented.  Object oriented in the Smalltalk sense, the only language that
> actually knows what Object Oriented really means.  For the most part, that
> meant no more cookies, no more query strings, no more templates, and no more
> pages, just components calling components.
>
> Then I quit my corporate job and moved to a smaller company for less pay
> that would allow me to use the technology of my choosing rather than force
> me to work with established tools.  Best decision I've ever made, I've never
> been happier with work.
>
> Seaside isn't a renegade web framework, it's a Zen web framework for those
> tired of the suffering imposed upon us by standard web development.  Seaside
> is enlightenment come to the web.
>
> Seaside is to manual state management what garbage collectors were to manual
> memory management.  Many scream foul, others scream about scalability or
> speed, but history repeats itself, and just as before, automation and ease
> of use are king, and computers keep getting faster.  Those who don't get on
> board will simply be displaced by those who do.
>
> Ramon Leon
> http://onsmalltalk.com
>
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> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:53:43 -0700, Richard Eng <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with everything you've said about Seaside. I was merely pointing
>> out that "heretic" doesn't sound as nice as "renegade", IMO. If you
>> *must* use one of these two words, which one would *you* choose?
>
> Actually, the problem with "renegade" or "ronin" or "heretic" is that
> they're all used by people to sound really bad-ass.
>
> If you wanted to keep in with the theme of "Squeak", you'd probably call
> it "truant" or "delinquent" or "rascally".
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> Yech!  :-)
>
> Thematically speaking, this is Seaside, not Squeak. And bad-ass is pretty
> much what you want Seaside to be.
>
> How about "The defiant web framework"?
>
> Or "The seditious web framework"?
>
> Anything but "heretic".  :-)

> "tim Rowledge" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > "Big Websites.
> > Small talk."
>
> Ladies and gents, we have a winner!
>
> frank
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Markus Gaelli
> Enviado el: Lunes, 16 de Julio de 2007 04:19
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
>
> How about:
> "Seaside: A dynamic environment for building dynamic web apps." ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Markus
>
> [hidden email] wrote on
> 14.07.2007 14:21:12:
>
> > "tim Rowledge" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Big Websites.
> > > Small talk."
> >
> > Ladies and gents, we have a winner!
> >
> > frank
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