Following Bert's instructions I've made a new 4.4 all-in-one and put it
here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4460862/Squeak-4.4-All-in-One.zip It uses the same VM as the 4.3 all-in-one. Should the 4.4 all-in-one have a different VM and if so, which one for each platform? If you give me links to the VMs I will attempt to put them in the 4.4 all-in-one I made. Thanks. Paul |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: Following Bert's instructions I've made a new 4.4 all-in-one and put it Can you make one with Interpreter VMs and one with Cog VMs (in which case use the most up-to-date VMs on my site)?
best, Eliot
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COG on Eliot's site:
Ken On 2013-03-05, at 1:39 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote:
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Yes. The links for the Mac vm's from here: http://squeakvm.org/mac/ are broken. Is there another place to find the interpreter VM for mac? I found this one on the Pharo CI http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/vm/stack/mac/ Is that the one to use for Mac? |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: Eliot Miranda-2 wrote I dunno :(
No. That's a stack VM. John, are you still building Mac Interpreter VMs? If so, where are they?
best, Eliot
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Well the links for the 'Latest Builds' are broken. |
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On 2013-03-05, at 21:39, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: A Squeak release should use Squeak icons. That's a non-issue on Linux, easy enough on the Mac, but for Windows we would need to build a new .exe, I believe? Has someone tested either Cog or the interpreter on Windows 8 - does it work? Also, I don't see the value in shipping two All-in-ones. If we decide to switch to Cog then that should be it. An independent issue is what to do about Linux 64 bits. - Bert - |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
I can rebrand the Cog VMs as Squeak. You think I should do that?
Makes sense to me. The Interpreter VMs can now load Cog-saved images, right David?
best, Eliot
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On 2013-03-05, at 22:16, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: Please don't use VMs from random websites. I know Pharo's CI is not exactly random, but so far we have used the VMs from the official maintainers at squeakvm.org and we should not light-heartedly change that.
There has been no official interpreter VM release after John's 4.2 series. The latest is Squeak 4.2.5beta1U. These are the only Mac VMs that still work on PowerPC Macs. (we do get reports from US schools that still use those). - Bert - |
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On 2013-03-05, at 22:39, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Not sure how to go about it. In Windows, the icon is baked into the VM binary, right? Or e.g. what the version number on the Mac should be. John had started to number the Cog-based Mac VMs 5.8. Or maybe it's a non-issue?
We should indeed wait a bit for David's input. - Bert - |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
It's really tedious to set the icon other than in the build on both Mac and Windows. Since Teleplace is now OpenTurf there's little point in keeping on branding the Cog VMs as Croquet. I'll rebrand them with the Cog Squeak icon that (I think) Tim did. IIRC it's a Squeak icon but with a crenellated border. BTW, I'm going by memory on these icons. If anyone has them to hand feel free to email them to me.
What exactly are the issues here (apart from the whole flock of them being as messy as pigeons)?
best, Eliot
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On 05-03-2013, at 2:56 PM, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote: > > It's really tedious to set the icon other than in the build on both Mac and Windows. Since Teleplace is now OpenTurf there's little point in keeping on branding the Cog VMs as Croquet. I'll rebrand them with the Cog Squeak icon that (I think) Tim did. IIRC it's a Squeak icon but with a crenellated border. BTW, I'm going by memory on these icons. If anyone has them to hand feel free to email them to me. Hmm, there are almost certainly tools that can edit the relevant parts but they're going to be of low utility unless they can be scripted. Quite why everybody chose to make that part of developing so annoying I'll never understand. Acorn simply nailed it in 1989 and everyone should have just heaved a sigh of relief and copied it. I didn't actually - er, so far as I can recall - make a cogged icon but I certainly can if needed. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- IQ = dx / (1 + dx), where x = age. |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
If you'd like that would be lovely. Target the Mac with lovely high-res. easy to derive a lo-fi version for Windows form that.
best, Eliot
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On 2013-03-06, at 00:07, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote:
Maybe just a new color for the Mac icon would work? E.g.: - Bert - |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Maybe just a new color for the Mac icon would work? E.g.: > > > - Bert - Should the Mac icon use the semi-standard "mac blue"? Think the quicktime Q, or the color of the folders? A quick google image search for "mac osx icon blue" will show what I am referring to. |
On 2013-03-06, at 00:33, Jeff Gonis <[hidden email]> wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Ian's VM for Mac already uses blue icons, John's uses the golden ones: So I thought just using a third color might do the trick. Not particularly proposing red, any color except these two would be fine with me. I can do the new colored icons, but I'll have to borrow a friend's machine first. They were done in Photoshop and I don't longer work at a place where I would have access to that. If someone else wants to experiment with my templates, let me know. - Bert - |
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
Green! Colin |
On 2013-03-06, at 00:56, Colin Putney <[hidden email]> wrote:
- Bert - |
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Here's an interactive one in a pinch. The source is in Delphi if one wants to read the essential parts to automate:
- Darius |
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On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 12:39:15PM -0800, Eliot Miranda wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Following Bert's instructions I've made a new 4.4 all-in-one and put it > > here: > > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4460862/Squeak-4.4-All-in-One.zip > > > > It uses the same VM as the 4.3 all-in-one. Should the 4.4 all-in-one > > have a different VM and if so, which one for each platform? If you give > > me links to the VMs I will attempt to put them in the 4.4 all-in-one I > > made. > > > > Can you make one with Interpreter VMs and one with Cog VMs (in which case > use the most up-to-date VMs on my site)? > The VMs for Squeak 4.4 should come directly from the squeakvm.org site and from http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ for interpreter VMs and Cog VMs respectively. All of these are linked from http://squeakvm.org so when in doubt, look there first. The all-in-one package is a special case in the sense that it is specifically set up to run the Squeak 4.4 release image, and therefore we would have no expectation that the VMs in the all-in-one should be able to run images such as Etoys, Scratch, and various other pre-closure images. In this case I would think that Cog VMs would be the appropriate choice, and I see no need for a separate all-in-one for interpreter VMs. I would like to see the VM links presented more clearly when the new Squeak home page comes on line, so I'll take that as a follow up action. Many Squeak users will be interested in running a range of images, and will therefore want to install the interpreter VM for their platform in addition to Cog. For that reason, we should have some clear links to the appropriate VMs for any given platform (happily now including RISC OS once again). Dave |
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