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Stef,
I guess the answer to your question is that we do have control. The news team is responsible to the community. I wrote an article previously that someone in our community took exception too. That person wrote me and I removed the article and issued an apology. I hope that the things that I have posted are interesting and informative. If they are not, or they do not properly reflect the community, then the community should feel free to discuss that. I'm very open and willing to discuss it. I can tell you from experience that posting to the weeklysqueak is very interesting. The only feed back I get is an occasional comment on an article, and a few personal emails. The only way I know I'm doing something right is by looking at the stats of how many readers we get. I also follow the search terms to see what people are looking for, and the referrers to see who is linking to our articles. Someone previously asked who is reading our news. It seems from the search terms that people that find us are looking for us and a specific article. But the number of search hits is much smaller then our readership which appears to be around 200 - 300 readers per article. I occasionally get 400-500 readers if the article is good. Other then a spike in readership, I have no idea if what I'm doing is worth while. It's a good thing I don't need a lot of feedback to enjoy doing this. Your news team member, Ron Teitelbaum > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:55 AM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: 'The general-purpose Squeak developers list' > Subject: Re: Could we fix the web site > > Thanks ron. > No problem. my remark was that the web site should find a way to > protect itself > from news feed if we do not control their contents. Feeds are cool. > But I do not know if they > were included automatically (and I thought ok what's happen if a guy > write a totally silly point). > So clearly identifying this is a news and we do not control it could > be a way to solve that. > > Stef > > On 8 janv. 07, at 03:39, Ron Teitelbaum wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I fixed the typos. (I stop reading the list for a few days and > > look what > > happens!) > > > > I have a couple of things to say. First I am very aware of how > > important it > > is to get the spelling right. I once lost a very big contract > > because of a > > typo when my explanation that nobody mentioned it and the software had > > really been used for over a year was not accepted. > > > > I am and remain a very bad speller. I also have no sense of time. > > People > > that know when something happened amaze me. Everything I remember > > feels > > like yesterday to me. > > > > I am using Firefox and it does have a nice spell checker, but I > > must have > > used IE for this post. I apologize for the typos. > > > > With that out of the way I would also like to say that I am very > > interested > > in any and all comments on the news articles that I have been posting. > > Please feel free to let me know if you have a suggestion or > > criticism. Also > > if you notice a typo or grammatical error please let me know. I > > promise not > > to take offense. > > > > Thanks for supporting the Web, Doc and News Teams! > > > > Happy Squeaking, > > > > Ron Teitelbaum > > Squeak News Team Member > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak- > >> dev- > >> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:27 AM > >> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > >> Subject: Could we fix the web site > >> > >> Hi all > >> > >> Happy new years. I wish you a lot of fun and success for your > >> squeaking projects. > >> > >> > >> Now I would like to know if this is possible to fix the squeak web > >> site. > >> I was a nice idea to put the news seeds in the web site but but but. > >> - we do not control the contents > >> - some of them are not really squeaking > >> - some of them contain a lot of typos. > >> > >> "Croquet Edit and Create 3d Objects > >> Howard Stearns reciently replyed to a question from Mathieu. I > >> thought Id reporduce his response here. Howard give a lot of very > >> good information about Croquet support for third party tools...." > >> Sorry but I do not know who is mathieu :) and this give me the > >> impression to get in a private discussion. > >> > >> > >> I want to be **proud** to put a link on http:/www.squeak.org/ on > >> important documents. > >> So could we ut the welcome section right on the top. and the news > >> after the portal. > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > |
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In reply to this post by Brad Fuller-3
On 1/7/07 3:19 PM, "Brad Fuller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> well... the squeaky wheel.... The front page of the website has been > updated from comments here. > > (What I think we need is a PR team to come up with great evangelistic > ideas and coordinate messages with the web team, news team and doc team.) Dear Squeak Committee and Community, I have been reading the comments about the composition of the Squeak.org home page this weekend with great interest. As I have started a web host for Smalltalk (SeasideParasol.com), I am confronted by the same problems you are about getting the word out about what I offer. I am working actively to generate publicity for my project -- and Squeak should be actively working to generate publicity for Squeak. I was fired up enough about it to call Brad Fuller in Palo Alto (I'm in Toronto). I just got off the phone with him. I liked the things he had to say on the message board, and felt I'd ask him about how to volunteer to assist the Squeak.org project, and to ask how a public relations committee could be formed for Squeak. He told me that he made mention of a similar proposal some time ago and it was met with indifference. That is simply not acceptable. It is imperative that a committee of Squeak Committee people (or hey, I'll join) convene on a regular basis to do the bare minimum to promote Squeak. If you think that public relations is not important, well, see if you disagree with either of the techniques that I tried last week. They failed for me, but they could work for Squeak. 1. I posted to Slashdot and was rejected. I think that's because saying "World's First Commercial Smalltalk Web Host" says I'm a business, and not a non-profit. Squeak is a non-profit project. It's a no-brainer that every time a new version of Squeak is launched that somebody take 30-seconds to post to Slashdot. I would point out that recently there was a post announcing the release of the Amiga 4.0 operating system. Amiga. But that's not the best part. The kicker is that there is no hardware yet built on planet Earth that can run this OS. It's expected sometime this year. 2. I posted to Digg.com. I had no success with that. Digg raises the profile with votes. It would be no problem to announce on this list that people should go to Digg, register and vote up the news item about a Squeak project. Mark Guzdial sits on 200 undergrads that he could announce to at Georgia Tech, and ask them to visit the site to vote an item up. I would point out that Avi Bryant did this for Dabble DB, and he asked on the Seaside message board for people to vote his item up. These are simple things to do. But hey! If you have a better idea, great! The important thing is to have four or so Squeak people in a committee thinking about this on a regular basis. The "how" is debatable; the need for such a body is not. I am moving from journalism (dynamicword.com) to web hosting for Smalltalk. This stuff, from where I come from, is a no-brainer. If you don't respect public relations, because you are above it or something, then I say two things to you: 1. You have no concept of how the world works; and 2. If you ever complain that Squeak is underappreciated, and you let this call to action go without the immediate and determined formation of a Squeak public relations committee, then you have no right to complain. There is a reason why Tide and Coke-a-Cola are the top of mind when people are asked -- suddenly! -- to name a laundry detergent or a soda pop. It's mere, simple repetition. That's marketing, that's public relations. Squeak is better than both. It's practically divine. I get so incensed about this issue I could bite a rock. The bare minimum public relations awareness must come to the Squeak community. A committee doing the obvious must be formed immediately. If Karl Rove worked for Squeak our problems would be over with very, very quickly. ;) Chris Cunnington Toronto |
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hi chris
I agree that this is important. Do something, my english is too bad but I support effort in that direction if Brad wants to help. Stef >> well... the squeaky wheel.... The front page of the website has been >> updated from comments here. >> >> (What I think we need is a PR team to come up with great evangelistic >> ideas and coordinate messages with the web team, news team and doc >> team.) > > > Dear Squeak Committee and Community, > > I have been reading the comments about the composition of the > Squeak.org > home page this weekend with great interest. As I have started a web > host for > Smalltalk (SeasideParasol.com), I am confronted by the same > problems you are > about getting the word out about what I offer. I am working > actively to > generate publicity for my project -- and Squeak should be actively > working > to generate publicity for Squeak. > > I was fired up enough about it to call Brad Fuller in Palo Alto > (I'm in > Toronto). I just got off the phone with him. I liked the things he > had to > say on the message board, and felt I'd ask him about how to > volunteer to > assist the Squeak.org project, and to ask how a public relations > committee > could be formed for Squeak. He told me that he made mention of a > similar > proposal some time ago and it was met with indifference. > > That is simply not acceptable. It is imperative that a committee of > Squeak > Committee people (or hey, I'll join) convene on a regular basis to > do the > bare minimum to promote Squeak. If you think that public relations > is not > important, well, see if you disagree with either of the techniques > that I > tried last week. They failed for me, but they could work for Squeak. > > 1. I posted to Slashdot and was rejected. I think that's because > saying > "World's First Commercial Smalltalk Web Host" says I'm a business, > and not a > non-profit. Squeak is a non-profit project. It's a no-brainer that > every > time a new version of Squeak is launched that somebody take 30- > seconds to > post to Slashdot. I would point out that recently there was a post > announcing the release of the Amiga 4.0 operating system. Amiga. > But that's > not the best part. The kicker is that there is no hardware yet > built on > planet Earth that can run this OS. It's expected sometime this year. > > 2. I posted to Digg.com. I had no success with that. Digg raises > the profile > with votes. It would be no problem to announce on this list that > people > should go to Digg, register and vote up the news item about a Squeak > project. Mark Guzdial sits on 200 undergrads that he could announce > to at > Georgia Tech, and ask them to visit the site to vote an item up. I > would > point out that Avi Bryant did this for Dabble DB, and he asked on the > Seaside message board for people to vote his item up. > > These are simple things to do. But hey! If you have a better idea, > great! > The important thing is to have four or so Squeak people in a committee > thinking about this on a regular basis. The "how" is debatable; the > need for > such a body is not. I am moving from journalism (dynamicword.com) > to web > hosting for Smalltalk. This stuff, from where I come from, is a no- > brainer. > If you don't respect public relations, because you are above it or > something, then I say two things to you: 1. You have no concept of > how the > world works; and 2. If you ever complain that Squeak is > underappreciated, > and you let this call to action go without the immediate and > determined > formation of a Squeak public relations committee, then you have no > right to > complain. > > There is a reason why Tide and Coke-a-Cola are the top of mind when > people > are asked -- suddenly! -- to name a laundry detergent or a soda > pop. It's > mere, simple repetition. That's marketing, that's public relations. > Squeak > is better than both. It's practically divine. > > I get so incensed about this issue I could bite a rock. The bare > minimum > public relations awareness must come to the Squeak community. A > committee > doing the obvious must be formed immediately. > > If Karl Rove worked for Squeak our problems would be over with > very, very > quickly. ;) > > Chris Cunnington > Toronto > > > |
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No, we would have all new problems. :-)
Seriously, I support this. I have no skills in PR, but I do think we don't do a good job of messaging the outside world. Another thing that can be done, if you blog about software, is to register your blog in the buzz section on artima.com. They tend to be java focused, but the buzz section is pretty much a blog news aggregator - whatever you post gets echoed into the stream. There are probably more tech aggregators that could be tapped by publishing RSS feeds. -Todd Blanchard On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Chris Cunnington wrote:
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Todd Blanchard skrev:
> No, we would have all new problems. :-) Be careful not to think people think you are a spammer. There was a story in digg about some guy just posting his web url in a signature on a comment, and he got lot's of bad attention. The same happened to the Dabble story, lot's of 'this is spam' comments. Blogging is maybe the least intrusive self promotion and can generate a lot of attention if conducted persistently and with a long term focus. James Robertson has a very well known blog, it was listed on a top 500 blogs some time ago http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/View.ssp Take a look at his posting history http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3345665624 It takes dedication. Karl > > Seriously, I support this. I have no skills in PR, but I do think we > don't do a good job of messaging the outside world. > > Another thing that can be done, if you blog about software, is to > register your blog in the buzz section on artima.com. They tend to be > java focused, but the buzz section is pretty much a blog news > aggregator - whatever you post gets echoed into the stream. There are > probably more tech aggregators that could be tapped by publishing RSS > feeds. > > -Todd Blanchard > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Chris Cunnington wrote: > >> If Karl Rove worked for Squeak our problems would be over with very, very >> >> quickly. ;) >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > |
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I think it is a good idea. Squeak definately needs higher visability and to achieve it the effort needs to be focused and managed... OMG I'm sounding like a management consultant - shoot me now!
I have an idea but have been holding off because I think it has been suggested in various guises several times before and because I also don't think there is much enthusiasm for promoting Squeak per se, let alone my heinous idea. Oh well, in for penny... a Squeak showcase image with unashamed lavish amounts of eye-candy, light on the smalltalk, heavy of the practical/fun uses of Squeak. Buff up some of the existing stuff already in Squeak, such as the PDA, add in some stuff that typical users take for granted (in a way *they* expect to find it) and then maybe some tasters of what could be done with a minimum amount of Smalltalk knowledge. In others words: hook 'em and reel 'em in (personally I don't know of any fish that leap out of the water and into the net of their own accord, but of course there are exceptions... and some of us are still flopping about gasping for air). I don't suggest it is a trivial task but then not too ambitious either. On 1/8/07, karl <[hidden email]> wrote: Todd Blanchard skrev: |
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Yesterday I was ranting about the need for Squeak to have a PR committee, so I’m going to start one. That’s a pretty bold statement, because there is an existing body of people who have a lot of experience with the development of Squeak projects, and I neither know who these people are nor how they like to do things. So, finding out who the players are and asking them away from this list how they like to do things will be my first job as the initial member of the newly formed Squeak PR Committee (The SPQS -- Sentatus Populusque Squeakarum). I’ll report back what the consensus seems to be in about two weeks. Chris Cunnington Toronto |
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On 9-Jan-07, at 9:05 AM, Chris Cunnington wrote: > Hi All, > > Yesterday I was ranting about the need for Squeak to have a PR > committee, so I’m going to start one. Chris, all you need to do is take a look at http://www.squeak.org/ Community/Teams/ and decide if you want to be an official Team Leader. Then we (as in The Board of All-wise and All-powerful Grand Poobars) can ratify the idea, install you as PR king, provide a mailing list and limousine etc. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: BBL: Branch on Burned out Light |
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In reply to this post by Chris Cunnington-5
That's wonderful. I, for one, am glad to have someone passionate about
smalltalk and PR on board. I agree with everything you said about marketing, and anyone should be able to see it from recent developments (e.g. Java, Rails). >From: Chris Cunnington <[hidden email]> >Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers >list<[hidden email]> >To: The general-purpose Squeak developers >list<[hidden email]> >Subject: The Squeak PR Committee Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:05:53 -0500 > >Hi All, > >Yesterday I was ranting about the need for Squeak to have a PR committee, >so >I¹m going to start one. That¹s a pretty bold statement, because there is an >existing body of people who have a lot of experience with the development >of >Squeak projects, and I neither know who these people are nor how they like >to do things. So, finding out who the players are and asking them away from >this list how they like to do things will be my first job as the initial >member of the newly formed Squeak PR Committee (The SPQS -- Sentatus >Populusque Squeakarum). I¹ll report back what the consensus seems to be in >about two weeks. > >Chris Cunnington >Toronto > _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 |
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Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really informative,
direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) One note, on the right, the "weekly squeak" box is up covering the last line or two of the "installation" box - this is both Flock and Konqueror. In Mozilla, the "weekly squeak" box is invisible. I think this may be a result of this error reported by http://validator.w3.org: Error Line 3 column 3740: there is no attribute "language". ...v><div id="news"><p><script language="JavaScript" src="http://feed2js.org//fe Milan On 2007 January 7 15:19, Brad Fuller wrote: > well... the squeaky wheel.... The front page of the website has been > updated from comments here. > > (What I think we need is a PR team to come up with great evangelistic > ideas and coordinate messages with the web team, news team and doc team.) |
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On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Milan Zimmermann wrote: > Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really > informative, > direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) +1 Looks fantastic! Josh |
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Yes this is really better. Thanks a lot.
Stef On 15 janv. 07, at 07:16, Milan Zimmermann wrote: > Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really > informative, > direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) > > One note, on the right, the "weekly squeak" box is up covering the > last line > or two of the "installation" box - this is both Flock and > Konqueror. In > Mozilla, the "weekly squeak" box is invisible. > > I think this may be a result of this error reported by > http://validator.w3.org: > > Error Line 3 column 3740: there is no attribute "language". > > ...v><div id="news"><p><script language="JavaScript" > src="http://feed2js.org//fe > > Milan > > On 2007 January 7 15:19, Brad Fuller wrote: >> well... the squeaky wheel.... The front page of the website has been >> updated from comments here. >> >> (What I think we need is a PR team to come up with great evangelistic >> ideas and coordinate messages with the web team, news team and doc >> team.) > > |
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One small issue - the Weekly Squeak link points to minnow.
I'm not sure whether we forgot to announce this, but minnow.cc.gatech.edu is no more - the wiki has been moved to box2 under wiki.squeak.org, and minnow just contains redirects. |
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That link: Next to the headline Stay Current. Should be changed to the
weeklysqueak.wordpress.com link instead. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cees de Groot > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:04 AM > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > Subject: Re: Could we fix the web site > > One small issue - the Weekly Squeak link points to minnow. > > I'm not sure whether we forgot to announce this, but > minnow.cc.gatech.edu is no more - the wiki has been moved to box2 > under wiki.squeak.org, and minnow just contains redirects. > |
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In reply to this post by Milan Zimmermann-2
> Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really informative,
> direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) > It does look great! + 1! Nice work! Ron |
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First of all - many thanks!
But... I guess the Weekly Squeak box is being read and transformed from RSS feed on-th-fly with each user access. Am I right? If yes, I'd recommend to cache the feed for some TTL period rather than transforming it on-the-fly. Then perform the full refresh once a day or spaw a separate process for this. The user might be frustrated since the main part being displayed after a "rather long" while. More than 30 seconds for me today - really lumpish and annoying (see screenshot attached). I believe this is what we need to avoid. However I really appreciate the work! Cheers, Filip On 15/01/07, Ron Teitelbaum <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really informative, > > direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) > > > > It does look great! + 1! > > Nice work! > > Ron > > > |
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really great work, thanks!
Anybody remembering the old look and content? http://web.archive.org/web/20050630025818/http://www.squeak.org/ or even back in 1999: http://web.archive.org/web/19990420235841/http://www.squeak.org/ Cheers, Adrian On Jan 15, 2007, at 15:36 , Ron Teitelbaum wrote: >> Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really >> informative, >> direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) >> > > It does look great! + 1! > > Nice work! > > Ron > > |
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Filip Stadnik wrote:
> First of all - many thanks! > > But... I guess the Weekly Squeak box is being read and transformed > from RSS feed on-th-fly with each user access. Am I right? Yes > If yes, I'd recommend to cache the feed for some TTL period rather > than transforming it on-the-fly. Then perform the full refresh once a > day or spaw a separate process for this. That's strange. It's immediate for me. |
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Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
> That link: Next to the headline Stay Current. Should be changed to the > weeklysqueak.wordpress.com link instead. fixed. thanks -- brad fuller www.bradfuller.com |
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Milan Zimmermann wrote:
> Thanks for the work on all changes, the site is now really informative, > direct, and also good looking., with nicer color scheme (to me) > > One note, on the right, the "weekly squeak" box is up covering the last line > or two of the "installation" box Is your text size set to normal? >- this is both Flock and Konqueror. In > Mozilla, the "weekly squeak" box is invisible. What platform (not that I can fix it, but I'd like to know) -- brad fuller www.bradfuller.com |
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