Alan Kay's EuroPython Keynote

> Hi Dan!
>
> Dan Shafer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I'd like to take a look at Maui but I can't seem to do so. My image
>> (a clean 3.8-6667full) appears to have Maui installed since when I
>> open SqueakMap, it doesn't give me an install option and the package
>> has no arrow, which the docs say means I should have it installed in
>> the image. But I can't find a class called Maui.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> No arrow means no releases available at all. So no, you can't  
> install it
> and you don't have it installed. :)
>
> regards, Göran
>

>
> On 10-Jul-06, at 10:10 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>
>> OK, we got two kilobucks. :-)
>
> So that gets you four days of my time if you want it....
>
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> Strange OpCodes: HALT: No-Op
>
>
>

> On Jul 10, 2006, at 10:23 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
>
>>
>> On 10-Jul-06, at 10:10 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>>
>>> OK, we got two kilobucks. :-)
>>
>> So that gets you four days of my time if you want it....
>>
>>
>> tim
>> --
>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>> Strange OpCodes: HALT: No-Op
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

> Hello Dan,
>
> DS> OH, well. I guess I can't look at it then, can I?
> it can be done.
>
> If my memory is correct you have to add a http-repository to MC
> browser and just install maui-cmm.96.mcz
>
> I copy from SqueakSource:
>
> MCHttpRepository
>     location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Maui'
>     user: ''
>     password: ''
>
> Then install the latest Version you find. I tried on 3.8, it seemed to
> work but I didn't manage to find out how to do what I wanted.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]
>
>

> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:41:02 +0200, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>
>> I didn't know you were a designer.
>
> Do you happen to know a designer who can make her artwork a living  
> in a Squeak image?
>
> /Klaus
>
>> On Jul 10, 2006, at 10:23 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 10-Jul-06, at 10:10 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, we got two kilobucks. :-)
>>>
>>> So that gets you four days of my time if you want it....
>>>
>>>
>>> tim
>>> --
>>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>>> Strange OpCodes: HALT: No-Op
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

> I'd like to take a look at Maui but I can't seem to do so. My image
> (a clean 3.8-6667full) appears to have Maui installed since when I
> open SqueakMap, it doesn't give me an install option and the package
> has no arrow, which the docs say means I should have it installed in
> the image. But I can't find a class called Maui.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
>
> > Although far from native or standard anything, "Maui" is a
> > direct-manipulation "IDE" that has been available for some time on
> > SqueakSource.  It's a naked-objects framework, so not only a direct
> > manipulation IDE, its direct-manipulation of the actual running
> UI's.
> >
> > I think its fun, and a fine example how a generic, open-ended UI
> > framework like Morphic permits promotes creative thinking and new
> > ideas.  Of course, the main theme lately has been lack of support
> for
> > existing ideas...
> >
> >
> > --- Dan Shafer <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Rob....
> >>
> >> Good to hear from you again here.
> >>
> >> I agree; no need to stay with one UI, whatever it is. I'm anxious
> to
> >> get the wx stuff working because I want to turn my attention then
> to
> >> creating a graphical IDE for the construction of windows using the
> wx
> >> widgets. A direct-manipulation IDE is something I sorely miss in
> >> Smalltalk.
> >
> >
>
>
>

>>
>> p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small article
>> about squeak for Wired - challenge on:
>> http://e-scribe.com/news/193
>> I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game.
>> It can be found on
>> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
>> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
>>
>> (I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )
>>
>> It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a
>> smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much
>> more sophisticated user interface.
>> So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the
>> language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...

>>
>
> Hi Markus, I didn't see any Smalltalk on that page.  Just for fun I
> coded up that reverse game and posted it, we'll see if it shows  
> up.  It
> was 8 lines "beating" Ruby by 2 lines and Python by 1.
>
> Here's the code I ended up with:
>
> numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
> steps := 0.
>
> [ Transcript cr; show: numbers.
> numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
> [ flipCount := (FillInTheBlank request: 'reverse how many?')  
> asNumber.
> 1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1 ].
> steps := steps + 1 ].
>
> Transcript cr; show: 'done, that took you ', steps printString, '
> steps.'
>
> Strange, I'm not sure why there are ~20 languages (including "REBOL")
> represented but no mention of Smalltalk anywhere, especially if you  
> had
> submitted it..

>
> On 10-Jul-06, at 10:41 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>
>> I didn't know you were a designer.
>
> Master of Design, Royal College of Art. Three years as an IBM Research
> Fellow working on the industrial design of user interfaces for CAD
> systems for industrial design (a bit incestuous I know, but what the
> hell). Sidetracked into Smalltalk as a tool for prototyping UIs
> (because magic markers just don't cut it) and then into Smalltalk
> implementation because you couldn't actually get Smalltalk systems in
> '83. Even went to so far as to get involved in designing a CPU to run
> ST on (the ARM) and an OS or two to support it (early RISC OS,
> ActiveBookOS, muCOS etc).

>
> >>
> >> p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small
> article
> >> about squeak for Wired - challenge on:
> >> http://e-scribe.com/news/193
> >> I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game.
> >> It can be found on
> >> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
> >> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
> >>
> >> (I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )
> >>
> >> It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a
> >> smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much
> >> more sophisticated user interface.
> >> So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the
> >> language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...
>
> On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Hi Markus, I didn't see any Smalltalk on that page.  Just for fun I
> > coded up that reverse game and posted it, we'll see if it shows
> > up.  It
> > was 8 lines "beating" Ruby by 2 lines and Python by 1.
> >
> > Here's the code I ended up with:
> >
> > numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
> > steps := 0.
> >
> > [ Transcript cr; show: numbers.
> > numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
> > [ flipCount := (FillInTheBlank request: 'reverse how many?')
> > asNumber.
> > 1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1
> ].
> > steps := steps + 1 ].
> >
> > Transcript cr; show: 'done, that took you ', steps printString, '
> > steps.'
> >
> > Strange, I'm not sure why there are ~20 languages (including
> "REBOL")
> > represented but no mention of Smalltalk anywhere, especially if you
> > had
> > submitted it..
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> thanks! Using your swap and isSorted methods and our extreme naked
> objects approach ;-)
> I came up with a version of 7 lines:
>
> steps := 0.
> numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
> [numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
> [flipCount:= numbers indexOf: ((SelectionMenu selections: numbers)
> startUpWithCaption: 'Revert up to which number?') .
> 1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1 ].
> steps := steps + 1].
> PopUpMenu inform: 'You needed ', steps asString,' steps.'
>
> Don't know, why it did not show up, Paul sent me a mail that he liked
> squeak and wanted to add it...so I added him here on the bcc.
>
> Anyone tried the Etoys-Version? Someone told me that it was not
> working for him, but I did not investigate...
>
> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
>
> Cheers,
>
> Markus
>
> p.s. The following Python script does not work for me under OS-X.
> Maybe sorted() and reversed() need some library here?
>
> import random
>
> numbers = random.sample(range(1,10), 9)
> steps = 0
>
> while numbers != sorted(numbers):
>      print " ".join(map(str, numbers))
>      flipcount = int(raw_input("Reverse how many? "))
>      numbers[:flipcount] = reversed(numbers[:flipcount])
>      steps += 1
>
> print "Done! That took you %d steps." % steps
>
>
>
>
>

> That is great!  Not only is the program more stable because you can't
> make bad input, but you also have a visual interface with both  
> keyboard
> AND mouse support.  We should get extra credit.
>
> What other language/environment can touch that?!
>
> :)
>
>
> --- Markus Gaelli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small
>> article
>>>> about squeak for Wired - challenge on:
>>>> http://e-scribe.com/news/193
>>>> I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game.
>>>> It can be found on
>>>> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
>>>> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
>>>>
>>>> (I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )
>>>>
>>>> It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a
>>>> smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much
>>>> more sophisticated user interface.
>>>> So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the
>>>> language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Markus, I didn't see any Smalltalk on that page.  Just for fun I
>>> coded up that reverse game and posted it, we'll see if it shows
>>> up.  It
>>> was 8 lines "beating" Ruby by 2 lines and Python by 1.
>>>
>>> Here's the code I ended up with:
>>>
>>> numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
>>> steps := 0.
>>>
>>> [ Transcript cr; show: numbers.
>>> numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
>>> [ flipCount := (FillInTheBlank request: 'reverse how many?')
>>> asNumber.
>>> 1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1
>> ].
>>> steps := steps + 1 ].
>>>
>>> Transcript cr; show: 'done, that took you ', steps printString, '
>>> steps.'
>>>
>>> Strange, I'm not sure why there are ~20 languages (including
>> "REBOL")
>>> represented but no mention of Smalltalk anywhere, especially if you
>>> had
>>> submitted it..
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> thanks! Using your swap and isSorted methods and our extreme naked
>> objects approach ;-)
>> I came up with a version of 7 lines:
>>
>> steps := 0.
>> numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
>> [numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
>> [flipCount:= numbers indexOf: ((SelectionMenu selections: numbers)
>> startUpWithCaption: 'Revert up to which number?') .
>> 1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1 ].
>> steps := steps + 1].
>> PopUpMenu inform: 'You needed ', steps asString,' steps.'
>>
>> Don't know, why it did not show up, Paul sent me a mail that he liked
>> squeak and wanted to add it...so I added him here on the bcc.
>>
>> Anyone tried the Etoys-Version? Someone told me that it was not
>> working for him, but I did not investigate...
>>
>> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
>> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> p.s. The following Python script does not work for me under OS-X.
>> Maybe sorted() and reversed() need some library here?
>>
>> import random
>>
>> numbers = random.sample(range(1,10), 9)
>> steps = 0
>>
>> while numbers != sorted(numbers):
>>      print " ".join(map(str, numbers))
>>      flipcount = int(raw_input("Reverse how many? "))
>>      numbers[:flipcount] = reversed(numbers[:flipcount])
>>      steps += 1
>>
>> print "Done! That took you %d steps." % steps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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