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stephane ducasse

Looking for good souls

Hi all

I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
post,
experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so
we should learn.

Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
the questions
on this squeak-starters mailing-list.

So if we are 4 or 5 we win!

Stef

Hilaire Fernandes-5

Re: Looking for good souls

I can try to help.

Hilaire

stephane ducasse a écrit :

> Hi all
>
> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to post,
> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so we
> should learn.
>
> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
> the questions
> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>
> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>
> Stef
>
>

Hans N Beck

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by stephane ducasse

Hi Stef,

for german speaking people, there are a lot good souls on the german
squeak foundation list ([hidden email]). Many
of them seems to be teacher or standing in context of school. The
problem is how to connect, because of the language.

Regards

Hans

Am 22.04.2006 um 09:00 schrieb stephane ducasse:

> Hi all
>
> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid
> to post,
> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so
> we should learn.
>
> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me
> answering the questions
> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>
> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>
> Stef
>

Herbert König

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by stephane ducasse

Hello Stef,

count me in but don't tack "good soul" on my back.

sd> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
sd> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
sd> post,

If it's not in french that is :-))

Cheers

Herbert mailto:[hidden email]

Nagy Attila

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Hilaire Fernandes-5

Dear Good Souls,

I am a newcomer to the world of Squeak and Smalltalk, but already an
experienced programmer in some other languages (including Java, which I
think I'll never use again :) ) I would like to dive into developing
useful applications in Squeak, but don't really know where to start,
right now I am trying to familiarize myself with Morphic programming.
So, if this collective of Good Souls is together, I'd be the first one
to sign up to the new squeak-starters list. Thanks for the great idea -
sounds just like what I've been looking for!

Attis

Hilaire Fernandes írta:

> I can try to help.
>
> Hilaire
>
> stephane ducasse a écrit :
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
>>because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to post,
>>experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so we
>>should learn.
>>
>>Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
>>the questions
>>on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>>
>>So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>>
>>Stef
>>
>>
>
>
>

Alain Plantec

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by stephane ducasse

stephane ducasse a écrit :

> Hi all
>
> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
> post,
> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so
> we should learn.
>
> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
> the questions
> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>
> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!

Hi,
I will help
alain

>
> Stef
>
>
>

Giovanni Corriga

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by stephane ducasse

Il giorno sab, 22/04/2006 alle 09.00 +0200, stephane ducasse ha scritto:

Hi Stef,

count me in. I don't really like the name (I'd prefer something like
"squeak-users"), but I really like the idea.

Giovanni

Herbert König

Re[2]: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Nagy Attila

Hello Attis,

NA> I am a newcomer to the world of Squeak and Smalltalk, but already an
NA> experienced programmer in some other languages (including Java, which I
NA> think I'll never use again :) ) I would like to dive into developing
NA> useful applications in Squeak, but don't really know where to start,
NA> right now I am trying to familiarize myself with Morphic programming.
NA> So, if this collective of Good Souls is together, I'd be the first one
NA> to sign up to the new squeak-starters list. Thanks for the great idea -
NA> sounds just like what I've been looking for!

just go ahead, I guess I'm new enough to remember how I felt in the
beginning. And my background is like yours. (Except for Java :-)

Actually there is a drawback in a newbie list. It splits up the
community.

The people doing the work of developing Squeak don't stumble about
what bugs a newbie anymore.

So mail me in private, wait for the new list or just ask here!

Cheers

Herbert mailto:[hidden email]

Herbert König

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by stephane ducasse

Hello all,

sd> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
sd> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
sd> post,

if it is like that, then squeak newbies is necessary but please don't
forget (or rethink) the old arguments not to split squeak dev.

So maybe us who want to help at least should think about how to deal
with this matter.

I personally think we should try to direct people here, as soon as
they lost their shyness.

Herbert mailto:[hidden email]

stéphane ducasse-2

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Herbert König

On 22 avr. 06, at 09:46, Herbert König wrote:

> Hello Stef,
>
>
> count me in but don't tack "good soul" on my back.

Sure
ok Black angels then :)
>
>
> sd> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
> sd> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really
> afraid to
> sd> post,
>
> If it's not in french that is :-))

I told them that I will give them one extra point on their exam rate
if this post email in english :)

Stef

>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Herbert mailto:[hidden email]
>
>

stéphane ducasse-2

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Nagy Attila

Thanks attis

this is the kind of feedback that will kick us in the right direction.

For morphic I suggest to have a look at the BreakOut, it summarizes
what I learned so far.
Not a lot but you can find some examples of drag and drop and others
part.
Pay attention Morphic is not the coolest part of Squeak and I hope
that Tweak will be ready soon.

Stef

On 22 avr. 06, at 09:49, Nagy Attila wrote:

> Dear Good Souls,
>
> I am a newcomer to the world of Squeak and Smalltalk, but already
> an experienced programmer in some other languages (including Java,
> which I think I'll never use again :) ) I would like to dive into
> developing useful applications in Squeak, but don't really know
> where to start, right now I am trying to familiarize myself with
> Morphic programming. So, if this collective of Good Souls is
> together, I'd be the first one to sign up to the new squeak-
> starters list. Thanks for the great idea - sounds just like what
> I've been looking for!
>
> Attis
>
> Hilaire Fernandes írta:
>> I can try to help.
>> Hilaire
>> stephane ducasse a écrit :
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
>>> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid
>>> to post,
>>> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success
>>> so we
>>> should learn.
>>>
>>> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me
>>> answering the questions
>>> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>>>
>>> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>
>

stéphane ducasse-2

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Herbert König

>
> if it is like that, then squeak newbies is necessary but please don't
> forget (or rethink) the old arguments not to split squeak dev.

Sure but I think that if people can get less fear to ask then we win.

>
> So maybe us who want to help at least should think about how to deal
> with this matter.
>
> I personally think we should try to direct people here, as soon as
> they lost their shyness.

Indeed!

Stef

>
>
>
> Herbert mailto:[hidden email]
>
>

Serge Stinckwich-4

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Giovanni Corriga

Giovanni Corriga a écrit :

> Il giorno sab, 22/04/2006 alle 09.00 +0200, stephane ducasse ha scritto:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
>> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
>> post,
>> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so
>> we should learn.
>>
>> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
>> the questions
>> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>>
>> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>>
>
> Hi Stef,
>
> count me in. I don't really like the name (I'd prefer something like
> "squeak-users"), but I really like the idea.

+1 for the list name.

I'm willing to help.
The main problem is a language problem, usually starters prefers to
learn in their own speaking language.

-- oooo
Dr. Serge Stinckwich OOOOOOOO
Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD OOESUGOO
http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich oooooo
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] \ /
##

Hilaire Fernandes-5

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Nagy Attila

Morphic is really cool. I suggest - if not already done - you install
from SqueakMap (world menu, Open...->SqueakMap Package Loader) the
"ProgrammingMorph" package. It is an interactive tutorial on some of the
Morph programming.

When dealing with graphic I have found Morph to be quite fast, and it is
globaly pretty cool to programming.

I am wondering what is the level of compatibility with Tweak
programming? Tweak looks very nice, (but seems slower, why? because of
AA?), I also hope to see it soon in stable version of Squeak.

Hilaire

Nagy Attila a écrit :

> Dear Good Souls,
>
> I am a newcomer to the world of Squeak and Smalltalk, but already an
> experienced programmer in some other languages (including Java, which I
> think I'll never use again :) ) I would like to dive into developing
> useful applications in Squeak, but don't really know where to start,
> right now I am trying to familiarize myself with Morphic programming.
> So, if this collective of Good Souls is together, I'd be the first one
> to sign up to the new squeak-starters list. Thanks for the great idea -
> sounds just like what I've been looking for!
>
> Attis
>
> Hilaire Fernandes írta:
>
>> I can try to help.
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
>> stephane ducasse a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters
>>> because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to
>>> post,
>>> experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so we
>>> should learn.
>>>
>>> Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering
>>> the questions
>>> on this squeak-starters mailing-list.
>>>
>>> So if we are 4 or 5 we win!
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Nagy Attila

Re: Looking for good souls

In reply to this post by Herbert König

Hi Herbert!

Shyness, I think that's quite a barrier to cross when you're new to a
community. And when I see people speaking about Croquet and HOM (none of
which I have managed to grasp the essence of), indeed I am a bit
discouraged to ask questions like "how do I create a simple input window?"

Splitting the community wouldn't be much of a problem, I think, as the
experienced squeakers can also take part in the new list, which would be
for the benefit of both them and the newcomers.

As you said:
> The people doing the work of developing Squeak don't stumble about
> what bugs a newbie anymore.

Exactly that's what I think. And I think that is why there aren't enough
good tutorials out there.

And again, I think the splitting of the community would not be that much
of a problem, if the new list would be successful at levelling up the
newcomers to the point where they are able to take part in the main dev
list's discussions.

Herbert König írta:

> Hello Attis,
>
> NA> I am a newcomer to the world of Squeak and Smalltalk, but already an
> NA> experienced programmer in some other languages (including Java, which I
> NA> think I'll never use again :) ) I would like to dive into developing
> NA> useful applications in Squeak, but don't really know where to start,
> NA> right now I am trying to familiarize myself with Morphic programming.
> NA> So, if this collective of Good Souls is together, I'd be the first one
> NA> to sign up to the new squeak-starters list. Thanks for the great idea -
> NA> sounds just like what I've been looking for!
>
> just go ahead, I guess I'm new enough to remember how I felt in the
> beginning. And my background is like yours. (Except for Java :-)
>
> Actually there is a drawback in a newbie list. It splits up the
> community.
>
> The people doing the work of developing Squeak don't stumble about
> what bugs a newbie anymore.
>
> So mail me in private, wait for the new list or just ask here!
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Herbert mailto:[hidden email]
>
>
>

Nagy Attila

Should I downgrade?

Hi Squeakers,

I've been trying to install some packages I think may be of help in
learning Morphic (BreakOut, ProgrammingMorph, LifeMorph), of which only
BreakOut installed correctly. I keep getting errors saying that there's
no release for my Squeak version, which is 3.8. Most packages are for
3.6. Should I downgrade my Squeak? Or is there another way?

Thanks, Attis

Hilaire Fernandes-5

Re: Should I downgrade?

Nagy Attila a écrit :
> Hi Squeakers,
>
> I've been trying to install some packages I think may be of help in
> learning Morphic (BreakOut, ProgrammingMorph, LifeMorph), of which only
> BreakOut installed correctly. I keep getting errors saying that there's
> no release for my Squeak version, which is 3.8. Most packages are for
> 3.6. Should I downgrade my Squeak? Or is there another way?

Even if you get this message, you can still ask to get the package
installed. At least I know it works for ProgrammingMorph.

>
> Thanks, Attis
>
>

Nagy Attila

Re: Should I downgrade?

What I get is:

"Error occured during install:
MultiByteFileStream>>fileInObjectAndCodeForProject"

Debugger says "MultiByteFileStrem(Object) does not understand
#fileInObjectAndCodeForProject"

Can this be due to the version mismatch?

Hilaire Fernandes írta:

>
> Nagy Attila a écrit :
>
>>Hi Squeakers,
>>
>>I've been trying to install some packages I think may be of help in
>>learning Morphic (BreakOut, ProgrammingMorph, LifeMorph), of which only
>>BreakOut installed correctly. I keep getting errors saying that there's
>>no release for my Squeak version, which is 3.8. Most packages are for
>>3.6. Should I downgrade my Squeak? Or is there another way?
>
>
> Even if you get this message, you can still ask to get the package
> installed. At least I know it works for ProgrammingMorph.
>
>
>
>>Thanks, Attis
>>
>>
>
>
>

Göran Krampe

Re: Should I downgrade?

Hi!

Nagy Attila <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What I get is:
>
> "Error occured during install:
> MultiByteFileStream>>fileInObjectAndCodeForProject"
>
> Debugger says "MultiByteFileStrem(Object) does not understand
> #fileInObjectAndCodeForProject"
>
> Can this be due to the version mismatch?

Mmm, that is when installing using SM right? I think it looks like an SM
bug caused by changes in 3.8. Chech senders and implementors of
#fileInObjectAndCodeForProject - the problem is most probably caused by
the 3.8 related m17n changes (but we just have to live with that - I
really, really like the work Yoshiki put into it :) ).

I can take a quick look tonight I think, gotta try to make SM
Croquet-clean anyway, and other issues.

regards, Göran

stéphane ducasse-2

Re: Should I downgrade?

In reply to this post by Nagy Attila

Oops I should update the map.
Normally it worked well in 3.8 :)

Stef

On 22 avr. 06, at 11:34, Nagy Attila wrote:

> Hi Squeakers,
>
> I've been trying to install some packages I think may be of help in
> learning Morphic (BreakOut, ProgrammingMorph, LifeMorph), of which
> only BreakOut installed correctly. I keep getting errors saying
> that there's no release for my Squeak version, which is 3.8. Most
> packages are for 3.6. Should I downgrade my Squeak? Or is there
> another way?
>
> Thanks, Attis
>

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